# Devblog: Final Statement Brisc Rubal Follow Up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998 "2019-04-25T12:17:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Easthir\_Ravin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/easthir_ravin/32/384050_2.png) [@Easthir\_Ravin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Easthir_Ravin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/169 "2019-04-25T19:10:55Z")
Lesson learned: 1. Receive information 2. Investigate information 3. Act on investigation 4. Assess actions to see if intended result was accomplished 5. Ammend or Sustain Actions after assessment. There is your policy moving forward. your welcome ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/170 "2019-04-25T19:12:22Z")
Lesson learned Brisc is not from third grade Europe country, he is from US and you can not ■■■■ with him 😂 : ---
**Author:** ![NeoShocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neoshocker/32/429174_2.png) [@NeoShocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NeoShocker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/171 "2019-04-25T19:13:50Z")
Sigh, while I am pleased to see this resolved and admitting to be wrong, but god damn it, I hoped you were not wrong and making mistakes on this one, CCP. This is a very costly mistakes, especially on a public figure (TBH, not that I really care about this particular part, but the whole situation). I sense strong unforeseen ramifications in-bound. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/172 "2019-04-25T19:15:13Z")
It was a ■■■■ move to act prior to even verifying wrongdoing. It was another ■■■■ move to stonewall everyone when asked if they even had evidence. The first right thing they’ve done is own this and apologize. We’ll see what else comes from it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/173 "2019-04-25T19:16:32Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > I would love to see the backstory of this utter farce. Backstory probably this: A CSM member heard a rumor and discussed it with other CSM members who all then came up with the wrong conclusion and in order to earn CCP’s favor or to keep themselves from being implicated as complicit, decided to inform CCP who then acted first by publicly crucifying a well known CSM member without first confirming the validity of the information they received. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-pK8SfXdFY&t=45) ---
**Author:** ![Hillbert\_Alexis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hillbert_alexis/32/263334_2.png) [@Hillbert\_Alexis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hillbert_Alexis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/174 "2019-04-25T19:17:57Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > banning entire CSM Not necessary, though limiting what information you share with them is probably a good thing HOWEVER I am in favor of temp banning all involved, as a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Litvar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litvar/32/273504_2.png) [@Litvar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litvar)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/175 "2019-04-25T19:18:24Z")
You mean the GSM? ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/176 "2019-04-25T19:36:53Z")
Just think of the sheer amount of silly CCP could have spared themselves by actually talking to Brisc before making any decission. Finesse. It helps to keep things civil and save face. Specially if you’re supposed to be a professional acting professional. Anyway, Ishtanchuk sends her regards: ---
**Author:** ![Ram\_Askaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ram_askaari/32/171034_2.png) [@Ram\_Askaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ram_Askaari)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/177 "2019-04-25T19:44:51Z")
R.I.P. CCP’s Credibility on bans ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Renbai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_renbai/32/285266_2.png) [@Han\_Renbai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Renbai)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/178 "2019-04-25T19:46:07Z")
So we can be confident in all past and future bans then as you do not follow due process and ensure there is evidence before just waving the ban-hammer based on rumour and supposition? And the CSM acted responsibly throughout despite the CSM being your source for the ban in the first place? O.K. ---
**Author:** ![Litvar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litvar/32/273504_2.png) [@Litvar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litvar)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/179 "2019-04-25T19:49:16Z")
This is basically CCP right about now… [https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/04/25/9a60608a286249a4.mp4](https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/04/25/9a60608a286249a4.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Bison](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nick_bison/32/384927_2.png) [@Nick\_Bison](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nick_Bison)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/180 "2019-04-25T20:05:15Z")
Okay, so further investigation provides no evidence of wrongdoing by Brisc or the other two folk. What about the CSM member(s) who reported this to CCP? That seems to take the meta a bit too far in my book. Or, did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Bison](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nick_bison/32/384927_2.png) [@Nick\_Bison](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nick_Bison)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/181 "2019-04-25T20:10:46Z")
I think your assessment is a bit generous. Perhaps some CSM members took the meta a bit too far in order to get rid of a rival. It’s been done before … ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/182 "2019-04-25T20:13:22Z")
Yeah, I was giving them the benefit of a doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Bellanea\_Rajanir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bellanea_rajanir/32/130836_2.png) [@Bellanea\_Rajanir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bellanea_Rajanir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/183 "2019-04-25T20:32:03Z")
Not the first and last person that was banned and did not deserved it. ---
**Author:** ![Vazqez\_McLoud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vazqez_mcloud/32/124477_2.png) [@Vazqez\_McLoud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vazqez_McLoud)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/184 "2019-04-25T20:35:16Z")
With compensations for my losses, do not hurry up. Ticket number 887493 . Does it look like a player’s concern? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/185 "2019-04-25T20:38:34Z")
Now that this action proved wrong, will they review the 10,000s that have been banned or does this only go for CSMs? ---
**Author:** ![Slayer\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slayer_dallocort/32/130838_2.png) [@Slayer\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slayer_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/186 "2019-04-25T20:40:47Z")
I have to wonder, if it were any other regular Joe Jerk Off - would they have even took a minute to review the ban hammer… We all would have been forgotten within five minutes. The 1% win again… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/187 "2019-04-25T20:41:41Z")
CCP doesn’t ‘Name & Shame’ other players that are banned. ---
**Author:** ![Slayer\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slayer_dallocort/32/130838_2.png) [@Slayer\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slayer_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/188 "2019-04-25T20:44:44Z")
I would say that anyone elected to a representative position should be held to a much higher standard. The point still remains - they wouldn’t have gave a ■■■■ (in regards to reviewing the judgement) if it weren’t a “high profile” person in real life. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=10)