# Devblog: Interim Statement on Brisc Rubal Follow-up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 17, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360 "2019-04-17T15:31:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/291 "2019-04-21T06:11:32Z")
> [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](#): > > Uhm. The tranquility server is in the UK. Lol, don’t go letting silly things like _facts_ get in the way, it’s the USA!!! 😃 So many laughs and for such a low low price! Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/292 "2019-04-21T08:17:58Z")
> [@Beta\_Maoye](#): > > As a gamer, I would like to see the game company can focus its energy on designing, building and testing the game This was lost somewhere down the road ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/295 "2019-04-21T13:18:20Z")
> [@looktoyourleft](#): > > you’re lack of intelligence amazes me hahaha Oh the irony. 🤭 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/a/6a7405adf74947393a26fcaa013a5b145b4473e7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![InnerSphere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/innersphere/32/124525_2.png) [@InnerSphere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InnerSphere)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/296 "2019-04-21T13:35:32Z")
All i can say is , check the prices of the VELES guns (all sizes) after the February CSM meeting, check both volumes traded and price increase. Draw your own conclusions about how innocent he and his INIT friends are. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/297 "2019-04-21T13:47:05Z")
what was changed with these? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/298 "2019-04-21T15:18:52Z")
Drop rates were increased as part of a change in abyssal loot rates that Rise announced publicly more than a month before the Summit. Clearly, this is evidence that the Init guys who were banned (and don’t do Abyssals) were involved. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/299 "2019-04-21T17:32:05Z")
There is a sufficiency in the world for man’s **need** but not for man’s **greed** ---
**Author:** ![Zebop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zebop/32/130130_2.png) [@Zebop](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zebop)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/300 "2019-04-21T18:12:00Z")
its about time that CCp admited they do not look into petitions but will ban someon on hearsay and no proof. its a shame that this has been ignored for so long with unqualified GM’s addressing false claims from their “friends” and acting on them i guess it took Brisc Rubal’s witch hunt to bring to light the problems within CCP ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Gilligan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jack_gilligan/32/91201_2.png) [@Jack\_Gilligan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jack_Gilligan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/301 "2019-04-21T18:24:35Z")
I still do not buy any of this. MMO publishers have proven time and again they are untrustworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Experiment\_H197](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/experiment_h197/32/69591_2.png) [@Experiment\_H197](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Experiment_H197)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/302 "2019-04-21T18:52:40Z")
Normally I wouldn’t chime in on things like this because I hate politics and drama, but this really bothered me. Not specifically who or what, but how CCP initially handled this (I’m basing that on the “Talking in Stations” breaking news vid mostly.) If I accept a EULA, it just means I acknowledge a given business has to legally CYA. I still expect a higher bar to be met from any company than the bare minimum expectations seen in EULAs. Also, processes/expectations for dealing with the run of the mill players vs processes/expectaitions for someone on the CSM **should** be different. To be frank, everything I’ve been reading and watching about this reminds me too much of real problems I see day in and day out in corporate America that has already really put a bad taste in my mouth. I’m stuck seeing it 40+ hours out of the week to pay the bills. I don’t want to see the same BS from the company of my favorite game that is also costing me a good chunk of cash. Anyway, it shouldn’t need to be said, but guilty until innocent is not OK. Banning without immediate details to the CSM (and preferably players) is not OK. It makes me ask, does CCP _really_ care about the players as people, or at the end of the day will CCP CYA as policy instead of risking a hit to try and do the right thing out the gate? I have no respect for hasty action combined with silence. I have no respect for punishment while leaving the accused in the dark. I’m glad CCP is now trying to be more transparent and give credit because it’s due there, but my opinion is it **never** should have gotten this far. A new due process needs to be created for CSM’s and their unique access and roles in the community. Out the gate, they should know what they are being accused of, that the account is frozen until due process can take place, and a **third party** company brought in to review the evidence (basically acting as a judiciary branch). Afterwards all proceedings should be put to public record for the community. “But a 3rd party could cost money and we’re a company after all!” Tough. That’s what I expect of CCP/EVE Online. What CCP/EVE Online represents and everyone I play with are part of my extended geeky family. I think that’s why this bothers me the most. In our community, things shouldn’t be handled this way out of game. In game, fine, but not out of game. ---
**Author:** ![Julia\_Arinin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/julia_arinin/32/276135_2.png) [@Julia\_Arinin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Julia_Arinin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/303 "2019-04-21T19:04:35Z")
The reality is, there are some players who are not just ‘Regular’ players - in and out of the game. Rubal is one of them. He being like you said the “Lobbyist - Lawyer” and such a prolific character in game is in a position - ( unlike the rest of us ) to being all holy hell to bare on CCP with ease. Most of us getting banned would not merit a blip in the big scene of things, but this one will be a whale of a issue to deal with. There has to be “Direct Evidence” to keep this Ban on such a character because anything less and Brisc ( and a few others ) can and will ( even just for GP and to prove a point ) cause real problems for CCP. But in any case a few phrases come to mind: Power corrupts - Absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Loose lips sink ships… Accidents ( aka - ■■■■ ) Happens! Which ever is the case, I’m not sure the Real truth will ever come out… Oh and - Money runs the world… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/304 "2019-04-21T19:32:20Z")
> **[A real-life lobbyist was just permanently banned in EVE Online for corruption](https://www.pcgamer.com/a-real-life-lobbyist-was-just-permanently-banned-in-eve-online-for-corruption/)** > > The accused denies any wrongdoing, but proper evidence might never surface. > **[Real-life lobbyist permanently banned from Eve Online’s elected player body](https://www.pcgamesn.com/eve-online/brisc-rubal-ban)** > > Brian Schoeneman, lobbyist, politician, and Eve Online player, has been permanently banned from the game > **[Real-Life Politician Removed From In-Game Office In EVE Online](https://kotaku.com/real-life-politician-removed-from-in-game-office-in-eve-1833915751)** > > Yesterday, EVE Online player Brisc Rubal was permanently banned from the game and removed from the Council of Stellar Management, the game’s player-elected representative body. Outside of EVE, Rubal’s real name is Brian Schoeneman, and he’s a lawyer... After all this articles CCP will have to present rock hard evidences or have to withdraw the Ban. ---
**Author:** ![Hotdrop\_Fred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hotdrop_fred/32/131244_2.png) [@Hotdrop\_Fred](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hotdrop_Fred)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/305 "2019-04-21T20:06:59Z")
So what about all the other people who have had a ban without due process … do they have to be a politician to get a fair hearing ??. Or maybe when you understand that your process of issuing bans “now” and investigate "maybe " later means that everyone banned in the last 6 months need to be investigate for errors. ---
**Author:** ![Rin\_Vocaloid2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rin_vocaloid2/32/90543_2.png) [@Rin\_Vocaloid2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rin_Vocaloid2)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/306 "2019-04-22T03:43:39Z")
You know Eve Online has become too real when Eve Online is about to have its very own Mueller Report. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/307 "2019-04-22T06:41:59Z")
US lobbyist and lawyer was publicly accused and … ■■■■ hit the fan! ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/308 "2019-04-22T06:55:13Z")
did it though? ---
**Author:** ![knobber\_Jobbler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knobber_jobbler/32/116171_2.png) [@knobber\_Jobbler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/knobber_Jobbler)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/309 "2019-04-22T08:25:03Z")
Why? CCP doesn’t name him, they just say they banned a character for breach of EULA. The gaming media names him. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/310 "2019-04-22T09:11:33Z")
how can you be eve player and so naive 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/311 "2019-04-22T09:21:11Z")
dont know, how do you manage it? ---
**Author:** ![Bloody\_Larry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bloody_larry/32/151459_2.png) [@Bloody\_Larry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bloody_Larry)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2019, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/312 "2019-04-22T09:52:26Z")
Why on earth is the CSM being given sensitive data anyway? They’re EVE players. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=16)