# Devblog: Interim Statement on Brisc Rubal Follow-up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 17, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360 "2019-04-17T15:31:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/335 "2019-04-23T02:42:01Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Because, they havent specifically named him, only an online character. The online character was publicly associated with his real name prior to their statement. As I’ve mentioned before, with that association in place, claiming ‘CCP didn’t use his _real_ name’ is like saying that Ramón Estévez can’t sue for defamation, because the tabloid only referred to ‘Martin Sheen’. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/336 "2019-04-23T02:44:59Z")
thats like trying to file a libel case against someone that said elton john was gay… two months after elton john came out as being gay. Honestly, good luck with that. Also > [@Arrendis](#): > > like saying that Ramón Estévez can’t sue for defamation, because the tabloid only referred to ‘Martin Sheen’. is a really stupid analogy, especially as ramon would be suing a paper that put his face in print; which CCP has not done. Go on keep on typing, your entitled to an opinion afterall. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/337 "2019-04-23T02:49:25Z")
Now you’re assuming there’s a picture involved. Good job. You’re also assuming, again, that Brisc did it. As I’ve said: if he did it, and they can prove it, then he’s getting what’s deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/338 "2019-04-23T02:50:12Z")
with tabloids there are always pictures. Theyre basically newspapers for people who can only read if theres a picture. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/339 "2019-04-23T02:54:03Z")
and again, im fairly certain he must be as i cant actually see ccp banning him without proper cause; that just seems too retarded to believe tbvh. 100% sure? no, not in the world we live in. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/340 "2019-04-23T05:24:53Z")
Bono from U2 if he was a newb EVE player, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/341 "2019-04-23T07:01:40Z")
It is simple: The CCP has questioned the integrity of a person and now must prove his allegations or withdraw it and apologize… ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_Eyrou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duke_eyrou/32/256967_2.png) [@Duke\_Eyrou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duke_Eyrou)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/342 "2019-04-23T07:18:03Z")
He should stand public trial! Let us “the people” decide his fate! Bring forth the EVEdence! ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/343 "2019-04-23T07:24:04Z")
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**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/344 "2019-04-23T07:24:26Z")
Muhahahaha “Public” can not trial US citizen… ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/345 "2019-04-23T07:38:37Z")
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**Author:** ![xTIGGERx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xtiggerx/32/154182_2.png) [@xTIGGERx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xTIGGERx)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/346 "2019-04-23T08:37:29Z")
So CCP, it’s now after the holidays and we are all waiting with intent on the outcome… ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/347 "2019-04-23T08:58:12Z")
> [@Duke\_Eyrou](#): > > He should stand public trial! Let us “the people” decide his fate! Wait wait Waaaiiiiit!!!.. I can’t find mah pitchfork ☹ Has anyone seen it? I swear I was using it last week (for that thing we were up in arms over), and now it’s just gone! 😑 Ahh well if anyone sees it, please let me know. Let the Trials begin!!! Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Saelyth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saelyth/32/159016_2.png) [@Saelyth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saelyth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/348 "2019-04-23T14:43:59Z")
Like this? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/6/56447b29afe15aa93a10da1e7d164de348e80a4d.png) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/349 "2019-04-23T14:47:09Z")
I named no names. \>.\> ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/350 "2019-04-23T15:04:38Z")
I agree with what you said, however, courts have overturned many cases where the EULA was the core issue. EULA is not legally binding anymore due to precedents set pretty recently. ---
**Author:** ![commander\_aze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_aze/32/209348_2.png) [@commander\_aze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/commander_aze)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/351 "2019-04-23T15:38:12Z")
![download%20(1)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/8/c851ca792efe7acc90069902bd5df8b554bac74e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Murk\_Udoria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_murk_udoria/32/421974_2.png) [@Uriel\_Murk\_Udoria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Murk_Udoria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/352 "2019-04-23T16:36:22Z")
![32](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/4/d4708c696cc4fb4d7a6a7becb624a35a990cea12.png) Soon™ ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/353 "2019-04-23T17:17:40Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The online character was publicly associated with his real name prior to their statement. As I’ve mentioned before, with that association in place, claiming ‘CCP didn’t use his _real_ name’ is like saying that Ramón Estévez can’t sue for defamation, because the tabloid only referred to ‘Martin Sheen’. lol, the ramification of this would be that you can’t be banned as long as you link your name to the character… and are some sort of public persona - e.g. own a business ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/354 "2019-04-23T17:20:28Z")
Why? CCP doesn’t normally identifty ‘we banned these accounts’. CCP doesn’t normally make _any_ comment about disciplinary actions or bans against specific individuals. The only reason, for example, that we knew GigX was banned was _GigX_ said so, on Talking in Stations. Nor, for that matter, is the _ban_ even at issue, as far as ‘can CCP do this?’ Of course they can. They can ban Brisc for having a dumbass name, if they _want_. They don’t even need that much of a reason. They don’t need a _reason_ at all for a ban. The ban **isn’t what made this a ‘thing’**. CCP similarly hasn’t offered information about why people have been removed from the CSM, in the past. They’ve just done it, and said ‘we removed X, and anything more about it is between us and them’. And if they’d done that _this_ time, there’d be no potential issue _now_, either. What made this a ‘thing’ was the public statement of ‘hey, the person behind this specific **identity** , which is **already** publicly identified as _that_ guy, violated confidentiality where a legal contract (the NDA) was involved’. And they _didn’t need to make that statement at all_. But **having** made it, they need to be able to back it up, if challenged. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=18)