# Devblog: Interim Statement on Brisc Rubal Follow-up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 17, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360 "2019-04-17T15:31:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Priux\_Brasil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/priux_brasil/32/194129_2.png) [@Priux\_Brasil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Priux_Brasil)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/83 "2019-04-17T19:04:08Z")
> [@GeeShizzle\_MacCloud](#): > > what do you think is worse then? CCP banning people on circumstantial evidence and then realising their mistakes but then redressing that error and punishments, or having a CCP that you know for a fact doesnt care about due process, actual justice and facts and just bans indiscriminately based on being metagamed by others? They are not young teenagers, they are adults and have no right to subject people to ridicule. They should know the least about suspicions, truths and lies, that is, the least of the basics to make a responsible assessment of the facts and to meet justice. I will be doubly disappointed with the possibility of a turnaround on such an important issue, but it profoundly undermines the credibility of the members of this company. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/85 "2019-04-17T19:04:26Z")
Lets not actually forget one very important thing. None of us actually know if he can be proven guilty or not; if guilty any lawyer is going to have a hard time bringing up a defamation case. The guy posting above is clearly batshit crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/86 "2019-04-17T19:04:56Z")
I believe the client server resides in USA but could be wrong on that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/87 "2019-04-17T19:05:49Z")
If guilty, that’s true. If not guilty… well, I’ve heard he’s got himself an Icelandic lawyer, so I guess he’s good to go. ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/88 "2019-04-17T19:06:26Z")
That lawyer? hafthor bjornsson. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/89 "2019-04-17T19:06:58Z")
lololol jesus I must say this is all rather amusing to me tbvh. Like, what does he hope to actually achieve? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/90 "2019-04-17T19:07:25Z")
> [@Wompie](#): > > client server The client is the iteration of software running on _your machine_. That has no bearing on anything. The action taken happened in Iceland. The statement was released _in Iceland_. The ban is nothing. The ban isn’t actionable. The only thing that might have legal exposure is the public statement. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/91 "2019-04-17T19:09:14Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Like, what does he hope to actually achieve? Probably nothing more than defending his name and professional reputation, since mishandling of confidential information would seriously hurt his livelihood after this got splashed around in _Variety_. It’s kind of like defending an IP: you might not actually _care_ if some kid’s making a fan movie about your IP, but if you don’t defend your copyright, you lose it. ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/92 "2019-04-17T19:09:35Z")
Semantics. A piece of their software that resides on your computer in the US which connects through US networks to their authentication servers. They operate in the US, and therefore it is a US case based on the precedent I listed above. But this is getting into the muddy water. The point is that Brisc does have a case, and that CCP really handled this poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/93 "2019-04-17T19:10:22Z")
> [@Bono\_One](#): > > CCP is no longer HQ’ed in Iceland, but South Korea UM, they are still in Iceland. The HQ never moved. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/94 "2019-04-17T19:10:48Z")
No, _you_ operate that piece of software, which you license from them (End User License Agreement ring any bells?). And again: nothing about the game server or the client for it, are in any way actionable. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/95 "2019-04-17T19:11:39Z")
so he is sueing variety then? ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/96 "2019-04-17T19:12:31Z")
Then read the document I posted, because it very clearly says it is actionable. ---
**Author:** ![Bono\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bono_one/32/113565_2.png) [@Bono\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bono_One)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/97 "2019-04-17T19:13:04Z")
It is actionable. The game client or “launcher” was used for illegal activity and publication of slander in violation of US Law. 28 U.S. Code § 4101. It is obviously actionable as the victim has stated that he will act on it and now CCP is reacting. ---
**Author:** ![Saelyth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saelyth/32/159016_2.png) [@Saelyth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saelyth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/98 "2019-04-17T19:13:28Z")
That’s what I’ve been saying since this whole fiasco started; that we, as the playerbase, simply do not possess any actual evidence to say whether they are guilty or not. That all we have is a statement, a claim by CCP that they believe he is. I’m in the same corp as Brisc and even I’ve not said he’s innocent. I don’t have any means to prove that, so that’s not a statement I’m going to make. On the same note, however, I’m also not going to simply believe some claim implying he’s guilty without some effort to actually substantiate it. ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/99 "2019-04-17T19:14:34Z")
Innocent until proven guilty is the morally correct stance to take. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/100 "2019-04-17T19:15:57Z")
Can’t. They’re protected under First Amendment concerns, unless they _solicited_ CCP to defame Brisc. ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/101 "2019-04-17T19:16:45Z")
First amendment does not protect libel. In this case they’re just reporting what CCP reported which could be classified as just that – a report. But IANAL. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/102 "2019-04-17T19:17:04Z")
TAKE THE FIFTH!! ---
**Author:** ![Wompie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wompie/32/133535_2.png) [@Wompie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wompie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360/104 "2019-04-17T19:21:49Z")
Him connecting his identity does not give a publisher the right to go after him simply because he is “known”. Again, that is libel. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-interim-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/153360.md?page=6)