# Devblog: Navigation Structures Inbound! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [November 6, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641 "2018-11-06T17:16:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/61 "2018-11-06T19:10:57Z")
> We’ve been discussing plans for these structures with the community ever since [Fanfest 2015](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hen92QFrDUo), where we outlined the long-term plan for what would eventually become Upwell structures. Yeah I can still remember the vision CCP Segull presented at the 10 years anniversary where she had that epic speech: “Think about all the opportunities for crafty capsuleers to make money and fame in this new era of colonization. Think about home, what that means to you. And then imagine what could lie beyond the known if only you could construct the right kind of stargate jump bridge replacement” ---
**Author:** ![Feyrin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feyrin/32/105302_2.png) [@Feyrin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feyrin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/62 "2018-11-06T19:13:20Z")
I would like to suggest a counter proposal to the planned **Tenebrex Cyno Jammer** Mechanics. The planned mechanics around a maximum of 3 Cyno Jammers in a system and redundant structures seems both needlessly complex and non-intuitive. Rather than having 3 Cyno Jammers to a system I would recommend an alternative. 1. 1 Cyno Jammer Anchored or Anchoring per system. 2. Cyno Jammer has significantly increased hit points over the current suggestion and higher damage cap leading to a similar time to reinforce but requiring much more significant force to reach the cap. 3. 0.5h-24h Reinforce Cycle while reinforced the service module is offline. 4. Cycling an active entosis link (after warm up cycle) suppresses the Cyno Jammer by off lining the service module. When offline cynos can be lit in system. 5. The cyno can be re-onlined with the requisite 5 minute spool up as long as the structure is not reinforced. 6. Both for balance and consistency the cycle time to suppress the Jammer should be linked to the system defense index in line with current sov mechanics. (I imagine a time around 10 minutes total including warmup cycle at defense 6 with a T2 entosis link would be appropriate but this would be need to be balanced by better minds than mine.) I think that this better achieves the game play goals using existing mechanics. You no longer have to destroy or reinforce the Jammer to access the system but must survive under fire of the citadel and defensive forces to incapacitate. This provides a similar challenge to the attacker as under the initial proposal but doesn’t require a game of whack-a-mole. The attacker still has the choice to reinforce the structure if they want to but would need to bring in heavier forces to do so in a reasonable time frame. ---
**Author:** ![Capqu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capqu/32/257465_2.png) [@Capqu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capqu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/63 "2018-11-06T19:15:31Z")
> [@Capqu](#): > > jammer > > current situation: > 5 min anchor (1 pre-anchored max) 30 mins to online, 1 grid, no keepstar within 1000km, no minimum time to reinforce > > post patch situation: > 45 min anchor (3 pre-anchored max), 5 mins to online, 3 grids 100 au apart in system, probably keepstar within 200km, 27+ min to reinforce > > are you intending to completely rape the ability of anyone to attack an established foe? > these changes are bad for the game for a number of reasons, and i’ll address each point individually > > - alowing 3 pre-anchored completely negates the only reasonable length timer the attacker can respond to > - multiple grids hundreds of AU apart with a 5 minute timer means no chance of getting to whichever grid gets activated in time with any reasonable load (tidi) on the system (for reference, jammers are mostly used in tidi situations) > - keepstar in range - lol speaks for itself > - 27+ mins to reinforce. this is an unreasonable amount of time for something that used to be instant (and still considered critical to defending a system) > > the jb / gen changes are terrible for the same reasons, but honestly you can already do most of it with poses already (but it takes more effort and most people don’t bother putting keepstars on pos grids) great post not sure why it’s being glossed over +1 thumbs up i agree ---
**Author:** ![Minerva\_Arbosa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerva_arbosa/32/263946_2.png) [@Minerva\_Arbosa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minerva_Arbosa)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/64 "2018-11-06T19:16:13Z")
Having all of the iHub upgrades cost increase is definitely moving away from the plan of wanting smaller alliances to own space. This change will not affect big established alliances with old money from before the moon mining changes as they will have plenty of ISK stocked away, but will definitely not encourage smaller alliances to take a few systems and put some iHub upgrades in place. Sounds like another dumb idea from CCP where they decided to not consult anyone at all, but instead just change it. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/65 "2018-11-06T19:34:47Z")
This change really shouldn’t affect small alliances that only hold a few systems that much. If your alliance can’t afford a billion or so isk per month to hold a constellation. Then they where already failing to use the space to begin with. And if 1.5b for the super upgrade is gonna break the bank. Then your alliance isn’t ready for supers. It does however affect the larger groups for a change. Because if you cram a large alliances super production into one system you will ■■■■ the industry index hard. So you need to spread out. Sure 15 bil for 10 super systems is cheap for the large groups. But it still means they are going to be paying more. Which means a bigger isk sink. ---
**Author:** ![GhostWhite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghostwhite/32/104762_2.png) [@GhostWhite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GhostWhite)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/66 "2018-11-06T19:34:48Z")
I like how you think. Please transfer me your old assets since they have already provided value to you. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/67 "2018-11-06T19:41:41Z")
> [@Capqu](#): > > multiple grids hundreds of AU apart ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/6/46c6f41b93e9025768582317dd2a6004e48452db.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/68 "2018-11-06T19:42:15Z")
> [@GhostWhite](#): > > I like how you think. Please transfer me your old assets since they have already provided value to you. My old assets aren’t being obsoleted, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bananaboat\_Blues](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bananaboat_blues/32/254430_2.png) [@Bananaboat\_Blues](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bananaboat_Blues)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/69 "2018-11-06T19:45:03Z")
@CCP_Falcon Out of curiosity why are we allowing Capitals to use a new jump bridge that gives 0 fatigue, I remember the rage & madness of the C5 highway that you nerfed to the ground, cause people were whining that it was too easy to get from one end of the galaxy to the other, while this mechanic makes it 10 tmes easier while moving capitals, while the C5 highway only allowed for BC or smaller doctrines in high numbers. Atleast add some level of fatigue to capitals using this mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/70 "2018-11-06T19:46:50Z")
6 of the GSM members are Goons, which have by far the largest capital and super capital fleet in EVE. 🙂 7 even, theoretically, because sort just accepted help from Goons as well. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/71 "2018-11-06T19:50:05Z")
You forget that the wh nerf was to cripple _sov attackers_, but the new gates are there to help the _sov holders_. This is all made with Goons and nullsec safety in mind, nothing else is relevant anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/72 "2018-11-06T19:57:30Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > 6 of the GSM members are Goons, which have by far the largest capital and super capital fleet in EVE. 🙂 7 even, theoretically, because sort just accepted help from Goons as well. So, we’re on this side of the pendulum’s arc, then? Where the CSM is solely responsible for the direction of game development. I’m sure that soon it will be a popularity contest good only for a “free trip to Iceland.” ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/73 "2018-11-06T19:59:01Z")
Likewise, someone with bad intentions could say that even the last moment is used to favored Goons. OFC this has nothing to do with reality, it’s for tin cap 😊 ---
**Author:** ![stephan\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stephan_rin/32/376358_2.png) [@stephan\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stephan_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/74 "2018-11-06T20:00:24Z")
perhaps but thats an extra 1.1 bill that could have been spend on aditional caps a month. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/75 "2018-11-06T20:02:12Z")
> [@Bananaboat\_Blues](#): > > Out of curiosity why are we allowing Capitals to use a new jump bridge that gives 0 fatigue, I remember the rage & madness of the C5 highway that you nerfed to the ground, cause people were whining that it was too easy to get from one end of the galaxy to the other, while this mechanic makes it 10 tmes easier while moving capitals, while the C5 highway only allowed for BC or smaller doctrines in high numbers. If you can’t understand the difference between a 5LY bridge between two systems that can be drag bubbled, shot, or denied for 35 days by blowing up an ihub, and a web of connections that reduces any two areas in Eve to a matter of 4 or 5 warps and jumps, you may need to have your head examined. ---
**Author:** ![Vollhov\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vollhov_jr/32/510418_2.png) [@Vollhov\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vollhov_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/76 "2018-11-06T20:23:38Z")
More content? We will see the Triglavian Ships from the four main factions as it was with the T3 ships ? Own design for each ? Own faction bonuses ? Oh no no … We have the same stupid factions, from the beginning of 2015. Our Triglavian will be another pirate faction with its own branch. According to: We are too lazy to draw different ships for each faction. We are too lazy to invent a plot as the Fractions have developed and implemented the mysterious technology. We are too lazy to leave the ships having Triglaviana as an NPC, and for the players to make individual developments from the Factions. We will make the mobile EVE Online, than will spend energy on diversity in the game itself. CCP 2015 - 2018. ---
**Author:** ![Vollhov\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vollhov_jr/32/510418_2.png) [@Vollhov\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vollhov_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/77 "2018-11-06T20:32:02Z")
Hello from 2015: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/d/ed7cad7a54dbb75d504ff37728ea5d8cf76c6228.png) ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/78 "2018-11-06T20:41:33Z")
interesting way to balance things, have to wait and see what happens with it all but actually looks like some thought went into this so +1 Perhaps your wardec change may yeild the same in that it will be more than just whats been stated so far 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bananaboat\_Blues](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bananaboat_blues/32/254430_2.png) [@Bananaboat\_Blues](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bananaboat_Blues)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/79 "2018-11-06T20:51:31Z")
You forgot that one requires effort from multiple people scanning for potentialy hours on end, while the other is uh warp to it , rightclick jump. you are also forgetting that one allows as i stated, for “sub BS” fleets to pass, while the other allows for capitals to move fatigue free ---
**Author:** ![Tzar\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzar_sinak/32/39415_2.png) [@Tzar\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzar_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641/80 "2018-11-06T20:55:29Z")
I have to agree here. Seagull made it clear (or is it my own biased desire) that GATES would allow us to explore new systems. The dev blog uses the term “Jump Gate” 18 times in reference to replacing Jump Bridges. “Jump Bridge” is used 3 times in reference to the existing functionality. @CCP_Lebowski is the proposed Jump Gate (replacement for the Jump Bridge) what Seagull meant? Did I understand the intentions and unspoken messaging incorrectly? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-navigation-structures-inbound/118641.md?page=5)