# Devblog: Security Update - Q1 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** teamsec, devblog, official\ **Created:** [February 19, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067 "2019-02-19T10:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Karmastat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karmastat/32/88179_2.png) [@Karmastat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karmastat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/225 "2019-02-20T09:41:06Z")
No idea if you have thought of this, but People in the game would like to see botters, etc. being punished, its the anonymity of your taking them down that is frustrating. I am sure there are good reasons for this but consider this. Is there any way to get players involved? Maybe once CCP is certain that a player is Botting. You (CCP) could make their ships stand out in some way so people could attack them? even in highsec? Maybe without them even knowing it? also make item/isk/plex locked and can’t be transferred (or pays out to the killers as bounty?) I could list a whole page of possibilities - from minor to full features - but that’s the general idea above. Make Bot hunting the new Bounty Hunting System? Maybe rewards to people who report and kill them? Some in-game nerf to people who support or harbor them? Make a game of it, lol ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/226 "2019-02-20T09:53:29Z")
Yes you should take a hard look at whats available to alphas but instead of limiting content you should limit the tools they have at disposal ---
**Author:** ![Penance\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/penance_toralen/32/244089_2.png) [@Penance\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Penance_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/227 "2019-02-20T10:07:58Z")
Perhaps CCP would care the share the statistics for the percentage use of Alpha vs Omega in Eve? Maybe its time re-think the decision for Alphas to have access beyond Empire Cruisers hulls? ---
**Author:** ![Zaron\_DarkStar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaron_darkstar/32/121270_2.png) [@Zaron\_DarkStar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaron_DarkStar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/228 "2019-02-20T10:23:04Z")
“Maybe its time re-think the decision for Alphas to have access beyond Empire Cruisers hulls?” Lol and you think this would go over well with alphas like me? No, if they cut access this much, it would not incentivize me to open up my wallet and pay. I would quit again, in a heartbeat, and put EVE back on the shelf until they sort themselves and their issues out. ---
**Author:** ![Silvergh0st](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/silvergh0st/32/293290_2.png) [@Silvergh0st](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Silvergh0st)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/229 "2019-02-20T11:13:02Z")
Not allowing Alphas to run L4 security missions would be a very sad move. They are not huge money spinners but are reasonably entertaining. If you remove them you will push alphas out of the game entirely or towards other activities such as signature and anomaly running which are already very busy and would become more so. If you want to push alphas out, just make the alpha state time limited. Please be frank about what you are really trying to achieve here. I played Eve from the early days for many years and then lapsed. The new alpha state brought me back to see what the experience was like for alphas and have been surprised at how good it has been. I also spend a lot of time on the Rookie Help channel helping people to get to grips with the game and understand how to fit their ships and tackle challenges effectively. Blocking me from L4 missions in high sec, while allowing equivalent activities elsewhere eg null-sec anomaly running, incursions, combat site running (highly croweded already) would probably drive me out of the game again. ---
**Author:** ![Doorn\_en\_Distel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doorn_en_distel/32/168091_2.png) [@Doorn\_en\_Distel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doorn_en_Distel)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/230 "2019-02-20T11:24:48Z")
> [@](#): > > After investigating further, the decision has been made to place all level 4 and 5 missions behind the requirement to have Omega status, to assist the fight against RMT and botting. Bummer. Not the fight against botting and/or RMT, but loosing my access to the higher level missions. I’ve been playing for a couple of months now, and it took me a while to get my standing up to even get near the required level, and now I won’t even get to play the L4’s. I do occasionally spend $ in the store, but an Omega subscription is too expensive for me. So this is a bummer for me. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/231 "2019-02-20T12:24:41Z")
What about getting people regularly HIC pointed in higher value anomalies by rats, so you can’t always warp out? Wouldn’t this reduce the bot (and AFK) problem by promoting hunters? Also reconsidering the today 100% chance of rats switching targets to the hunter in case of PvP in the anomaly … ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/232 "2019-02-20T12:44:32Z")
There’s nothing really to add at this stage. I’m reading it, but there’s no promises can be made on when, how, who and what. Once I have more information when we’re looked at how want to proceed, then we’ll talk more. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/233 "2019-02-20T12:45:48Z")
> [@Crockett\_Manning](#): > > This isn’t an “alpha” or “omega” problem, its an exploitation problem. A Rorqual bot fleet cannot be manned by alpha clones. Its not a pirate faction ship problem, most of the bots I have seen lately are in a T1 hauler. If a botter has a drive to exploit an in game mechanic they will use it. You’re wrong. It’s a combination of all these factors, INCLUDING ease of access to some of the things you’ve listed with alpha accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Linara\_Amante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linara_amante/32/121124_2.png) [@Linara\_Amante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linara_Amante)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/234 "2019-02-20T13:22:07Z")
What’s wrong with idea to add CAPTCHA on mission acception and completion instead of banning alphas from L4 missions? ---
**Author:** ![Wulf\_Matia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wulf_matia/32/121395_2.png) [@Wulf\_Matia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wulf_Matia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/235 "2019-02-20T13:24:11Z")
I have to say, as a poor guy on disability with a limited income, denying access to l4 missions will severely limit my ability to make isk… and thus make enough to pay for Omega status. You’ll probably lose me from the game… again! There has to be a way to authenticate ligit users so we still have a chance to get to Omega…; ---
**Author:** ![Bingham\_McSnuggles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bingham_mcsnuggles/32/491707_2.png) [@Bingham\_McSnuggles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bingham_McSnuggles)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/236 "2019-02-20T13:57:07Z")
i send some similar report to eve security once…nothing happend still all the astero bots all over the place. but some of those killboards ( only astero losses 0 kills) are in fact real people. i killed some of those on my alt, and a some of them start convos , especially in provi , because asking " i thought nrds applies here? ". so yeah i agree its a menace, its like a swarm of locust clearing out regions, and im also sure 80% of those are bots. the rest maybe paid multiboxers ( reminds me of goldsellers/powerlevelers from china back in wow). i doubt this will ever be controlled…botting is just too easy , and also if banned, easy to replace. especially the alpha vni bots. replaced instantly. IP ban? easy to workaround… and even if they look like bots, some are simple and plain semi afk multiboxing toons of people generating “passive” income for the main charcater. greed will kill this beautiful game. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/237 "2019-02-20T14:14:00Z")
That’s right. Keeping people who pay in space matters. How do you do that? Well, part of it is you give them people to shoot. Another part is that you give even the people who don’t pay _to play_ other things to pay for. SKINs etc. I know plenty of alphas who’ve picked up SKINs for their Ospreys, Feroxes, etc. All of those got paid for with PLEX at some point. So someone _paid CCP for that_ at some point, no different than the omegas who PLEX their accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/238 "2019-02-20T14:20:26Z")
> [@Linara\_Amante](#): > > What’s wrong with idea to add CAPTCHA on mission acception and completion instead of banning alphas from L4 missions? Because people hate those stupid CAPTCHAs and will quickly get fed up with it and stop playing? ---
**Author:** ![Dog\_K9-9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dog_k9-9/32/140315_2.png) [@Dog\_K9-9](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dog_K9-9)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/239 "2019-02-20T14:53:56Z")
Young Man right now a years sub if paid today is ONLY £89:99 a bargain = £7.50 a week. A saving of £29:89 …basically a free 3 months…with instant access For a Game Like Eve-online that is a bargain…Fun 24/7 if you like… I do L4s a lot & I pay, Alphas do not at the moment…I also buy other items when I feel like it… Alphas can enjoy Eve without doing L4 or pay today… Plus the skill queue on Alpha is terrible you really would enjoy being a Omega. Then you can do so much more ,you know it makes sense… P.s There are selfless Alphas (who played before as Omega) who do contribute to Eve-online with there time supporting/helping newbies,dividing there time in help channels… ---
**Author:** ![Linara\_Amante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linara_amante/32/121124_2.png) [@Linara\_Amante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linara_Amante)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/240 "2019-02-20T15:00:27Z")
> [@Dog\_K9-9](#): > > P.s There are selfless Alphas (who played before as Omega) who do contribute to Eve-online with there time supporting/helping newbies,dividing there time in help channels… But without ISK from L4s there will be not enough funding for these activities in highsec ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/241 "2019-02-20T15:02:20Z")
> [@Linara\_Amante](#): > > But without ISK from L4s there will be not enough funding for these activities in highsec How much ISK does sitting in a chat channel cost? ---
**Author:** ![Bingham\_McSnuggles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bingham_mcsnuggles/32/491707_2.png) [@Bingham\_McSnuggles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bingham_McSnuggles)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/242 "2019-02-20T15:04:05Z")
just dont live in highsec if u want to make iskies. or fly incursions in highsec. or look for ghostsites. or run combat sites and ded sites. missions are crap anyways isk/effort/time wise. no idea why people run those, prolly for standings? i also made the mistake to farm standings and run l4s till i was able to start l5s…by that time i joined 0sec…and never even wasted a second on thinking about running l4 missions or similar again … ---
**Author:** ![Linara\_Amante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linara_amante/32/121124_2.png) [@Linara\_Amante](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linara_Amante)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/243 "2019-02-20T15:06:15Z")
I can say that’s convenient to do some L4s during writing in newbie chat ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067/244 "2019-02-20T15:07:50Z")
uh-huh. Convenience != necessity, though. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-security-update-q1-2019/141067.md?page=13)