# Devblog: Spring Balance Update Incoming! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 13, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831 "2019-03-13T16:03:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/648 "2019-03-13T23:48:13Z")
A ■■■■ fit vni can already be killed by a single frig. Once this change is active a single Condor can hold a perfect pvp fit vni down indefinitely. It won’t have enough dps to break it, but the vni will be stuck until the frig pilot gets bored. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/649 "2019-03-13T23:49:15Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Once this change is active a single Condor can hold a perfect pvp fit vni down indefinitely lol no ---
**Author:** ![Lexiswashere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexiswashere/32/124561_2.png) [@Lexiswashere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexiswashere)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/650 "2019-03-13T23:54:25Z")
This entire Balance is unbalanced??? We spend 25B isk on a supercarrier, 100Bisk on a fit titan, and this is how we get treated?? How about the 8B isk we have in the rorqual fits, are we going to make them 20% cheaper even tho we are stripping them of 20% or more of there mining ability. I am so disappointed to know that the 40B isk Ive worked for means nothing, so that new players in caracals and drakes can feel more important. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/651 "2019-03-13T23:55:11Z")
Ok, my condors do 5k. I can hold a vni that doesn’t carry warriors indefinitely right now. ---
**Author:** ![Becham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/becham/32/327010_2.png) [@Becham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Becham)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/652 "2019-03-13T23:55:13Z")
More stupid nerfs. Time to mothball this bitch again. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/653 "2019-03-13T23:55:58Z")
> [@Lexiswashere](#): > > We spend 25B isk on a supercarrier, 100Bisk on a fit titan, and this is how we get treated?? eve is not balanced based on cost, history has shown it does not work. Just because your toys are expensive doesn’t make them immune to the nerf bat, a nerf bat the rightly deserved mind you ---
**Author:** ![Lexiswashere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexiswashere/32/124561_2.png) [@Lexiswashere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexiswashere)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/654 "2019-03-13T23:56:02Z")
> [@Le\_Hiunguritza](#): > > he fairness in all that? Not to mention they are miles apart from similar training. One is a few million skill points in one direction one is in another. OMG you just opened my eyes wide I didn’t even consider that, there is almost no benfit to flying the rorqual than??? ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/655 "2019-03-13T23:57:42Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > a vni can no longer run off a kiting frig with a flight of warriors > [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > I can hold a vni that doesn’t carry warriors 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Lexiswashere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexiswashere/32/124561_2.png) [@Lexiswashere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexiswashere)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/656 "2019-03-13T23:58:45Z")
> [@Nuke\_Michael](#): > > alanced based on Ignore that I was clearly wrong ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/657 "2019-03-13T23:59:39Z")
> [@Lexiswashere](#): > > A site takes 6mins max and the timers is what? 5mins now? the cycle time of the NSA is 60seconds have you used a carrier before? ---
**Author:** ![Lexiswashere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexiswashere/32/124561_2.png) [@Lexiswashere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexiswashere)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/658 "2019-03-14T00:01:01Z")
yeah my bad there, get mad much tho bro? I take if you cant afford these types of nice things ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/659 "2019-03-14T00:01:57Z")
> [@Lexiswashere](#): > > get mad much tho bro? I take if you cant afford these types of nice things Not sure what this has to do with anything, since most of new eden and their mothers can afford to fly a carrier ---
**Author:** ![Odessima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/odessima/32/494464_2.png) [@Odessima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Odessima)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/660 "2019-03-14T00:02:28Z")
Nerfing them this way is not going to “fix” the issue you have with them. The issue with Caps isnt their abilities, it is the abilitity to train into them as quickly as you can with Skill Injectors. Overall thes changes only affect smaller entities not the larger ones. Essentially nothing has changed. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/661 "2019-03-14T00:03:29Z")
> [@Odessima](#): > > Essentially nothing has changed. so why are the changes an issue then? I wouldn’t expect to see so many people here to argue agaisnt something that doesn’t change anything ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/662 "2019-03-14T00:04:53Z")
> [@Odessima](#): > > Overall thes changes only affect smaller entities not the larger ones reposting for the 3rd time now > [@](#): > > This mentality is incorrect, and unhealthy for balance discussions as a whole. There is no ship change that is going to solely effect the larger groups while leaving the smaller ones untouched. Justifying a lack of change on that basis will kill balance ovetall, and entropy favors the already entrenched groups. > > The best way to nerf the hyper dense null groups is to force them to spread out, stretching their cap umbrellas as far as possible, while supporting mechanics that will severely limit their projection of massive force (basically nerfing cyno mechanics/buffing inhibs) > > Any changes that support subcap viability and nerf capital viability hurt the umbrellas, which is a good thing. Dont drink the koolaid man, these nerfs will hurt the big guys too, no matter what they say 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Odessima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/odessima/32/494464_2.png) [@Odessima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Odessima)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/663 "2019-03-14T00:06:18Z")
The changes are suppossed to balance the larger entities, when in fact it only effects smaller entities that use Cap Ships. So the imbalance remains exactly the same. The bigger coalitions will just Drop more, the smaller will still be unable to compete. ---
**Author:** ![Leiron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leiron/32/177488_2.png) [@Leiron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leiron)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/664 "2019-03-14T00:09:06Z")
Of course CCP doesn’t need to provide lore. You do realize that you didn’t need to reply with nothing to offer? CCP can do whatever they damn well please, but the best experience to be had by capsuleers will be the ones explained, and it’s a more pleasing experience if there is a lore aspect thrown in. People can relate more to lore, rather than statistical math. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/665 "2019-03-14T00:09:53Z")
> [@stephan\_Rin](#): > > would you then say something needs to change the massive gap between goons and other big alliances in term of income. > For i fear that these changes how equal on paper they are might broaden the gap as other alliances may not be able to provide security for these new risk as well as goons may > > feel like i trying to say to many things, so sorry if its too messy Big, well developed organizations will always adapt. Balancing the game around what they do is generally a bad idea. because anything designed to stop them will inevitably hurt someone less organized more. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/666 "2019-03-14T00:09:59Z")
> [@Leiron](#): > > it’s a more pleasing experience if there is a lore I like lore as much as the next dude, but wasting time making some up every time the need to edit a ships pg is a waste of time and effort ---
**Author:** ![Zed\_Bokta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zed_bokta/32/124563_2.png) [@Zed\_Bokta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zed_Bokta)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/667 "2019-03-14T00:12:37Z")
So, Just to make sure I understand this correctly… 1. You aren’t re-balancing any Precursor/Triglavian ships OR Loki’s, two of the most difficult fleet comps to fight against. 2. By nerfing FAX’s, and smoke screening it as a way to nerf capital ship effectiveness, you are taking away the only way a smaller group can compete with Precursor/Triglavian ships and Loki fleets? Basically, CCP just supports whatever wormhole groups decide is their meta for some bizarre reason, and continues to make it impossible for non-wormhole and smaller groups to have a fighting chance in null sec, where they are just supposed to offer up Rorq’s and Super Carriers to satisfy the ganking efforts of certain groups who disquise themselves as “Elite PVP’ers.” This is the most ridiculous re-balancing I have seen in my 9 years playing Eve. Thank you CCP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831.md?page=34)