# Devblog: Spring Balance Update Incoming! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 13, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831 "2019-03-13T16:03:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![Mayanna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayanna/32/160871_2.png) [@Mayanna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayanna)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1759 "2019-04-07T09:25:47Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Use some of that ratting isk to invest in a more expensive ship? Perhaps consider that you had it too good and the game needs that ti change for balance. Maybe is better to go mining till i can use a carrier to do it and the game need this change for the balance this will result in : > [@bluechimera](#): > > CCP you have little all the half-empty 0.0 with your new changes to ensure that they are completely empty. PVE players will leave. PVP players will leave behind them. I only know that pvp player are happy to spot a vni player when he is doing haven anomalie and try to shoot him down. What would do this pvp player when VNI player will be gone and not come back with an expensive ship but go mining instead or quit the game. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1760 "2019-04-07T10:00:46Z")
Shoot your mining ship instead of your vni? And honestly, quitting because the afk farming method is slightly less effective and you need to actually look at your screen more than once every 5 minutes? Slight over reaction don’t you think. ---
**Author:** ![Mayanna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayanna/32/160871_2.png) [@Mayanna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayanna)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1761 "2019-04-07T10:26:58Z")
I never do mining solo always in corporation and got 0 problem with pvp player so far in fact i never got hit when i was mining.(I was killed in the middle of the road I was taking to go mining) I never afk farming it lead to get ganked and killed i am not a bot…you sir speak like every eve players have 5 accounts and afk to do that, I am sorry i have only one account. Over reacting we will see when the patch goes live maybe you right ,I am not judging here it’s only my point of view but you are. P.S: sorry for my grammar I am not English ---
**Author:** ![Mayanna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayanna/32/160871_2.png) [@Mayanna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayanna)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1762 "2019-04-07T12:48:14Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Shoot your mining ship instead of your vni? > And honestly, quitting because the afk farming method is slightly less effective and you need to actually look at your screen more than once every 5 minutes? Slight over reaction don’t you think. i am not alone…don’t you think. > [@christina\_panda](#): > > I’m gonna say this right now. I am a VNI ratter. I hunt for the Maze escalation. If for any reason I can’t still do that in may (my birthday month) I will be unsubbing EVE which is shame because I love it and have only been here for a couple months. Thats TWO monthly subscriptions paid in REAL LIFE $$$ gone. I hope you all follow suit. Yeah your trying to ■■■■ bots over. I am always at my computer don’t ■■■■ me over… > don’t call is balancing when its a %50 nerf. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1764 "2019-04-07T16:31:35Z")
My comments don’t stem from being a newbie who doesn’t know how to manage drones, but from someone who has been playing this game a long time successfully but is growing tired of being squeezed out of my preferred method of playing because of problems or CCP aims that have nothing to do with me. I’m tired of being impacted by solutions that are unproven, obsessive, over detailed attempts to control the minutia of the game instead of seeking to help evolve a deep structure of the unknown and unpredictable. Instead we have a game that is effectively OCD, repetitive, unimaginative and slowly closing out anyone who doesn’t fly in a fleet for a large corporation. The over-dependence on large corporations is a reflection of a company that prefers control over adventure simply because having being that way for so long you simply can’t imagine an alternative. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1765 "2019-04-07T16:34:49Z")
Don’t worry about your English, you express yourself clearly. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1766 "2019-04-07T16:38:36Z")
Why assume people who are dissatisfied play AFK. At least ask them if that is the case first. ---
**Author:** ![xOmGx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xomgx/32/242854_2.png) [@xOmGx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xOmGx)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1767 "2019-04-07T16:38:46Z")
yeh CCP say somethign about unscripted and unpredicted gameplay but in fact they WANT us to play way THEY want - play their script They mess with everything destroying game we all know Messing with market trying to control it - while they claim its player controlled marked Messing with ship balance where its not needed and where its needed - not a single fu.ck given Introducing overpowered Triglavian ships making many T1 and T2 ones useless (+ these ships introduced for very small group of people) CCP does not care about playerbase anymore they dont need good online numbers CCP go make EvE MOBA game with starships and dont screw up the EvE Online ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1769 "2019-04-07T16:42:29Z")
They might care about players but be incapable of finding their way out of the hole they’ve been digging for so long. But, other than that, I generally agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![xOmGx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xomgx/32/242854_2.png) [@xOmGx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xOmGx)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1770 "2019-04-07T18:12:48Z")
Hey CCP Pls refund me at least 50% of game time spend training for Capitals and Supercapital ships + convert all the SP in these now not so usefull skills in free sp Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1771 "2019-04-07T19:52:13Z")
Because if you aren’t afk these changes don’t impact very seriously at all, and only in the areas where it was out of control. So if the world is ending enough to make you quit either you were afk or you are over reacting without spending time with the changes ---
**Author:** ![xOmGx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xomgx/32/242854_2.png) [@xOmGx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xOmGx)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1772 "2019-04-07T20:04:39Z")
these changes killing fax main ability to heal others effectively in combat Miners getting 20% nerf to mining and huge nerf to surviveability making a 7-10 bill mining rig very hmm bad Titans (most expencive ships in the game) will be even more helpless Supercarriers and Carriers - same CCP do forget that it take years to learn these ships (without injectors) and they should do Compensate people affected ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1773 "2019-04-07T20:21:10Z")
When a frigate can solo a titan, then you can complain about being helpless. Titans are roaming death machines with massive aoe damage, death star lasers, capable of throwing huge fleets straight into battle from light years away and with tens or hundreds of millions of ehp. Reducing their haw damage is necessary. Remember that this is in response to a huge buff of the very existence of haw in the first place. Similar could be said about things like the NSA nerf. Which is another response to an over buff from the NSA being created. etc etc ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1774 "2019-04-07T22:19:04Z")
Have you considered that changes might affect people differently from the way they affect you? And ascribing feelings or choices to people that they haven’t made reference to is dishonest. No one has said the world is ending (except you) and I’ve not used the word “quit”. There are too many people like you in Eve: instantly argumentative and ready to denigrate anyone given the smallest chance. Why not just contend with your own concerns and stop making unfounded assertions about others. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1775 "2019-04-07T22:47:10Z")
Because you commented on my post when I was replying to people that used the word quit. That have been stating the game is ruined? I mean… if you are going to have a go at me try actually getting the context first. And how about you actually articulate how these changes affect you if you think my view is missing something, and explain why it’s not a reasonable nerf to something that is out of balance without using the “but my isk” argument. Right now you’ve written a whole lot of politician speak, attacked me, but presented no actual case of your own so you can never be wrong because you’ve made no stand. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1776 "2019-04-07T22:51:40Z")
Your post shows, in the upper right corner, that you were replying to me. If it hadn’t I wouldn’t have replied to you. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1777 "2019-04-07T22:53:59Z")
I don’t have to convince you of anything. That isn’t meant to be disrespectful to you, it is simply a fact. My comments are directed at CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1778 "2019-04-07T23:23:04Z")
You mean my reply to your reply to me… Follow the arrows. :). (feels very inception like saying that). And sure you don’t have to convince me of anything. But you haven’t said anything to CCP either. You haven’t made any cases of your own and CCP aren’t going to just listen to someone protesting without substance when they’ve made a case for why it’s needed. If you want CCP to listen, present a fact based case, it is amazing how often they listen when someone does that. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Palmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_palmer/32/130919_2.png) [@William\_Palmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Palmer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1779 "2019-04-07T23:50:47Z")
I’ve no intention of playing the game of details. The whole focus of Eve development is piecemeal. They are heading in the wrong direction while fussing over the colour of their shoes. And my reply and your reply to my reply - I did reply to your reply, and 'tis done. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831/1780 "2019-04-07T23:55:40Z")
Well. Then let’s see your presentation for the overall view of EVE. Its very easy to sit here and say “CCP are doing it wrong” when you aren’t presenting any kind of complete picture yourself. Give us your vision in a useful way that a game dev could actually draw stuff from. This means it needs to be concrete, not just ‘it should be fun’ but ‘it should be like xyz because people often find that fun’. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831.md?page=87) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-spring-balance-update-incoming/145831.md?page=89)