# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/370 "2019-07-29T23:06:14Z")
To be fair, he’s not _wrong_. Whether he means this tax OR the thread, he’s not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/371 "2019-07-29T23:08:04Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > I will never understand their trains of thought. You are very likely correct in this. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/372 "2019-07-29T23:08:05Z")
Still waiting for a 10k essay on why I am wrong. Otherwise I’ll accept your gracious surrender. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/373 "2019-07-29T23:09:32Z")
Do you imagine you’ve said something worth actually writing a detailed response to? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/374 "2019-07-29T23:10:02Z")
Careful what you wish for! ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/375 "2019-07-29T23:11:02Z")
Probably not, but I’ll check back in 70 hours when you’ve finished debating everyone to see whether you added anything of value. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/376 "2019-07-29T23:12:02Z")
You g’wan and do that, Binky. ---
**Author:** ![Vernon\_Legaspe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vernon_legaspe/32/144885_2.png) [@Vernon\_Legaspe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vernon_Legaspe)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/377 "2019-07-29T23:12:46Z")
I assume this was done to hurt alpha market bots, since they can’t train the applicable market skills to 5 and the increased tax will tighten their margins or make their trading altogether unprofitable. If that is indeed the case i applaud the idea, but like many posters in this thread I am concerned about how this benefits HS citadel owners. I think player owned citadels are already too cheap and beneficial, and CCP’s handling of them is mystifying to me, i.e. how space is already choked with abandoned unfueled structures. You would have thought that CCP would have learned their lesson with how many dead POS towers accrued over the years, but I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/378 "2019-07-29T23:13:56Z")
I don’t know, I can see the tax being worthwhile. ISK sinks are _never_ bad, and this ups the sinkage even in player owned structures. The downsides still remain to be seen as markets adapt. My only real gripe is that it will dis-proportionally affect low SP traders and those who’ve grinded ridiculous standings, but it’s not like ‘newbies’ aren’t going to be massively disadvantaged at _everything_ anyway. Someone further up mentioned the trade tax ISK sunk last month being somewhere in the area of eleven to twelve trillion I believe? (Don’t quote me on that, I am heading to bed soon and can’t be arsed actually checking the quote or the economical report.) Even if there’s an exodus to player trade hubs, which is still not certain since the motivation to do so has already been there for some time and this doesn’t change it _that_ much, we _should_ still see more isk sunk into taxes. This is a positive thing, and honestly… … I’m struggling finding a drawback to this that isn’t basically just a slight exacerbation of what is already true: Newblings aren’t going to do well in the main tradehub compared to veterans. Imagine my shock. ---
**Author:** ![Tamanade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tamanade/32/381075_2.png) [@Tamanade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tamanade)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/379 "2019-07-29T23:13:59Z")
is it just me or do ccp seem hellbent on ruining their own game ?? …everything they are doing lately seems to be a negative thing ?.. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/380 "2019-07-29T23:15:29Z")
Don’t flirt with me. Gingers are now bads, did you not hear? Next time you nail Hilmar. I still have not listened but the footnotes sound like he was just allowed to babble on. I nominate you next time to at least babble over him, or ye know, ask stuff that isn’t ‘sooo what are you wearing’ Sorry for snappishness I still need to listen to the whole thing and it’s just not an enticing prospect ---
**Author:** ![Penance\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/penance_toralen/32/244089_2.png) [@Penance\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Penance_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/381 "2019-07-29T23:16:27Z")
If you can do it to industry, why not do it the market? Industry taxes are based on density of activity. It is supposed to be a Cold and Harsh universe after all, but New Eden has a one-stop shop for minimal effort and all needs met. All at a bargain prices. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/382 "2019-07-29T23:17:44Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > I can see the tax being worthwhile. I’d agree if it wasn’t disproportionately aimed at the people who need the least sinkage: solos, newbies, and people who don’t do huge ticks of ISK-generation. It’s just _lazy_, you know? Flattening the bounty curve (so low-end rats like HS are impacted least, but the big bounties in null drop noticeably) would’ve been a better knob to twist. Hilmar’s been on this ‘make it easier for new players and harder for veterans’ kick, but this hurts newbies and helps people running market citadels, who are definitely already rich vets. Just seems like a pants-on-head way to go about it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/383 "2019-07-29T23:18:51Z")
> [@Marsha\_Mallow](#): > > Next time you nail Hilmar. I am not, nor do I have any desire to be, affiliated with Talking in Stations. If Hilmar’s willing to sit down for an interview w/INN, we’ll do things differently, like actually have follow-up questions and the like. (‘You’re going to see a lot of changes. Things happening every week.’ ‘Oh? _Like what_?’ I mean, that should’ve been a freakin’ gimme.) ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/384 "2019-07-29T23:21:23Z")
… eeh, the newbies are still going to be trading etc in such low volumes that it doesn’t really make much difference if the tax is three percent or thirty. The actual amount is going to be… damn near identical anyway. It’s just not a big enough number to really care all that much about, while the ones with perfect skills, standings etc are the ones who’ll be trading in such volumes that even the smallest increase in taxes will account for _significant_ amounts of isk. It’s just not enough of a drawback for me to complain about it. It’s a positive change overall, even if it _could_ have been better. Besides, it’s not like they can’t stomp on the nullsec bounties in addition to this. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/385 "2019-07-29T23:23:41Z")
Funnily enough I was debating starting a blog purely to rant about nepotism related to Eve media, but at the rate this is carrying on I won’t need to bother. Let them continue that route, we can all see it. Funnily enough INN has been really solid recently on pure news reporting, nicely done (not being sarcastic there). I know why it slanted a while back, and it was reasonable at the time. The op-eds are also interesting, but it needs to be viable for non Imperium folk too as it was in early TMC days. Tbh with these forums the way they are and reddit being basically a screeching competition, it’s legit starting to be a brain drain in terms of attention. Cheers for the reply btw, was just teasing, I quite like your 10k articles of doom™ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/386 "2019-07-29T23:23:55Z")
Right. It’s not going to matter in the overall ISK pool. It _will_ matter to the guy struggling to save up for his first Cruiser. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/387 "2019-07-29T23:27:23Z")
> [@Marsha\_Mallow](#): > > it needs to be viable for non Imperium folk too as it was in early TMC days. The biggest impediment to this has been the unwillingness of people outside the Imperium to answer questions. We want non-Imperium folks writing. We want to know what’s going on in the rest of the game, so we can put it out there. The whole /r/eve echo chamber is ■■■■■■■■, and the ludicrous claims that there’s some directives about what we can and can’t talk about just makes sure that the people who _are_ writing for us only _get_ one side of the story to present. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/388 "2019-07-29T23:32:00Z")
When was the last time you actually did that, out of curiosity? It’s not that long ago I had a bunch of sneaksy alts in the oven, and avoiding all isk transfers and “sudden windfalls” meant I played a bunch of them casually as they skill trained. This? This is a drop in the bucket when it comes to that “poor newbie struggling to save up for his first cruiser”. It barely even registers. ISK actually keeps pace quite nicely with the sp, so unless he dumps a bunch of real money into skill injectors he’s going to _easily_ make more than enough isk to stay ahead of his expenses. And this is assuming he goes solo all the way. If he joins a corp (which everyone should) you can pretty much guarantee that he’ll be sitting on more resources and assets than necessary. Be it L2s, be it green sites in highsec, be it exploration, trade, mining, whatever else… that newbie is going to be just fine. By the time they have the SP to make use of that cruiser, they can afford half a dozen of them. Keep in mind, the way you and I fit things are _not_ the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/389 "2019-07-29T23:33:59Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > We want non-Imperium folks writing. I like writing. I don’t particularly like doing it for propaganda outlets, which is exactly what INN, TiS and so on all are. It doesn’t really matter much to me if some articles are good. Much like Playboy, those aren’t why the publication exists in the first place. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=20)