# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/390 "2019-07-29T23:35:17Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > When was the last time you actually did that, out of curiosity? Right before Kahah and all that happened, on Bjorn, and then again just after, when I was getting Anna trained up. Missioning in HS on new alphas is a relatively chill way to take a break from null nonsense, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Becham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/becham/32/327010_2.png) [@Becham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Becham)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/391 "2019-07-29T23:35:22Z")
I guess this is the nut kick to the market players. Who is going to get the nut kick next? I hope it’s hi sec incursions, those guys have had it too good for far too long with huge rewards and zero risk. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/392 "2019-07-29T23:36:14Z")
Then you should be quite aware that isk flow doesn’t really tend to be an issue. Highsec living doesn’t require inordinate spending, especially when you’re waiting for the SP to catch up to Ambitions. ---
**Author:** ![Briannaa\_Corvus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/briannaa_corvus/32/146457_2.png) [@Briannaa\_Corvus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Briannaa_Corvus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/393 "2019-07-29T23:36:26Z")
Ever time I see a post from CCP I get more irritated with this game. It’s supposed to be enjoyable. If I would not have so many years invested I would look for something else. Just leave the base mechanics of the game alone. Special events Great! New content Great! But this is just annoying. If you want to stop all the Alpha bot crap Give them 1-2 months omega if there not playing paying for the game by then there not going to. Delete the account or make it where it can only be activated (logged in to) by Omega status. ---
**Author:** ![Xain\_deSleena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xain_desleena/32/151578_2.png) [@Xain\_deSleena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xain_deSleena)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/394 "2019-07-29T23:37:04Z")
This change is a mistake. Like in real life nobody likes paying more taxes and fees. You have further enhanced a negative of the game. Essentially the players are making a donation to CCP when we pay taxes. You have not explained why you are increasing taxes and market fees. The economically minded person may understand but we are not all like them. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/395 "2019-07-29T23:37:04Z")
That really wasn’t my experience. Even with the slower training time, I found myself having to mission like mad to make enough money to get that first _Stabber_ in a reasonable amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/396 "2019-07-29T23:39:44Z")
How? A dessie will tear through the SSoE arc (that multiple agents throw you towards) even with basic skills and that _alone_ will buy you the hull with ease, and you’re not skilled for that for a month or more yet, as far as I’m concerned. I think you’re rushing upgrades, to be honest. What is a “reasonable amount of time” to you? ---
**Author:** ![Theo\_Herald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theo_herald/32/151423_2.png) [@Theo\_Herald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theo_Herald)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/397 "2019-07-29T23:40:03Z")
Great… More taxes 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/398 "2019-07-29T23:44:48Z")
Nope, just following the tutorial and then into the career agents. The SSoE stuff’s always seemed pretty high-effort for my HS give-a-damn. ---
**Author:** ![Terrahmus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terrahmus/32/150833_2.png) [@Terrahmus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terrahmus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/399 "2019-07-29T23:47:21Z")
You forgot the note about how PLEX transactions will be exempt from taxes. Talk about throwing (real) money away. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/400 "2019-07-29T23:52:44Z")
It’s pretty much the norm and the agents send you to Sis Ali when you do the career stuff. The rewards in isk alone should net you enough for a cruiser hull, the standings bonus will get you better relations with the agents etc, and frankly if you have missioned until you have the standings needed for L3s you don’t even need to have done the SSoE arc to have the dosh for it. I’ve done this on too many characters intended to be infiltrators (and then I feel bad because literally all the potential targets have like… _no_ security and they’re all wide-eyed baby seals and arrgh sod it it’s a scout now and I’ll burn it anyway god damnit etc) and I just honestly can’t wrap my head around how you can’t afford a cruiser when you have the SP for doing more than spinning in it, when a single dessie in highsec can basically blitz anything that isn’t beyond standings reach at that point anyway. … Arrendis. You’re awful at Eve. Sorry. It’s the only explanation. Newblings today bathe in dosh compared to the Ye Olden Days of training learning skills and mining in Bursts and Bantams. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/401 "2019-07-30T00:01:23Z")
Increasing taxes will do absolutely nothing. Prices will go-up accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/402 "2019-07-30T00:12:46Z")
It will remove ISK from the economy, and tbf it does need slowing down. But I doubt it will have the desired effect. Also this forum is garbage, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/403 "2019-07-30T00:14:06Z")
> [@Marsha\_Mallow](#): > > It will remove ISK from the economy, and tbf it does need slowing down. But I doubt it will have the desired effect. But just as IRL, wont prices just go up a tad to compensate? The equilibrium will be found and life goes on… ---
**Author:** ![Gevlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gevlin/32/146805_2.png) [@Gevlin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gevlin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/404 "2019-07-30T00:14:41Z")
Is this increase in taxes to pay for the deficet cause by the of the ship insurance program due to the increase of loss of ships bought on by blackout? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/405 "2019-07-30T00:15:28Z")
> [@Terrahmus](#): > > You forgot the note about how PLEX transactions will be exempt from taxes. Talk about throwing (real) money away. …why would that happen? Assume, for a moment, a 5% tax rate, and a PLEX price of 1million isk. You think that’s a pretty okay deal, so you buy 500 plex and sell them for 1 million ISK, yielding 475 million in after-tax ISK. The tax goes up to _10%_. If you sell your plex for 1.056 million each now, you yield 475 million. The only number that really matters is the after-tax yield PLEX suppliers are willing to accept. If the PLEX price (and subsequent yield) is low enough that they’re unwilling to supply, the price will rise until they’re willing to supply. Of course if other supplies are willing to live with a reduced yield, well, that’s just life. In neither case are you throwing money away, however: You spent money on PLEX, the only TRUE value of which is that you can spend it for Omega/NEX store items. That’s the _only_ guarantee CCP makes to you when they sell you a PLEX. You’re _allowed_ to trade it in game, but that does not come with any valuation guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/406 "2019-07-30T00:19:06Z")
Ensuring forum readers/posters get their recommended daily allowance of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/407 "2019-07-30T00:19:51Z")
If CCP wants to increase market pressures, just reduce ore availability…it’s EVE’s equivalent of oil which has shaped the globe for over a hundred years. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/408 "2019-07-30T00:21:38Z")
It’s not real life. These are players with lives and they get narked when the ISK faucets get knocked on and off in unpredictable ways. Tbh the big ISK players will play this and benefit (unless we get another daft patch every day, which judging by the DTs looks likely). The big groups will also get along. The solo folk, playing alone - quite literally - who have no social group and have probably already gone insane doing PVE, will go insane. There’s a bit of an assumption that ‘whales’ are typically straight out there in nullsec or lowsec sat in purple fail-wagons, waiting to die. This really is not true - it wasn’t 10 years ago and if anything it’s probably even worse now. I’ve API checked errr, say about 1k players as a recruiter (in other corps than this one is in). There are legit highsec whale hoarders, who will never PVP, but they ratpack. They are funding a hell of a lot. Never annoy them. Seriously, I’ve API checked so many dropping 1k + a month it is insane. Now you could also pull these people aside and try talk to them, but they were already mad. But the one thing that will genuinely incense them is TAXES. Not that I am saying they are dumbos or anything, but they don’t read forums except when they get ganked sooooo ---
**Author:** ![Curtis\_Beradan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/curtis_beradan/32/273375_2.png) [@Curtis\_Beradan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Curtis_Beradan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/409 "2019-07-30T00:23:42Z")
Bad idea. Besides transferring wealth to the highsec TTT mafia, this will also reduce liquidity in the market by increasing the buy/sell spread. That wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing if EVE were maintaining the same number of players, but as the player base is gradually declining, liquidity already decreases naturally as it become harder to find buyers on short notice. Another thing this will do, which may be either good or bad, is to force vertical integration of industry. If one person mines the ore, another refines it, a third manufactures components, and a fourth makes ships, the transaction costs at each step will prevent them from competing with the person or corp who carries out the whole supply chain in-house. I have to say, this really shits on solo players. If you’re concerned about oversupply of ISK, nerf insurance payouts or something like that. There are much easier fixes which don’t throw a monkey wrench into the entire market. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=21)