# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/572 "2019-07-30T16:32:09Z")
> [@Alyssa\_A](#): > > To CCP, cc CCP Falcon, CCP Hilmar… That works better if you do it as @CCP_Falcon @CCP_Hellmar ---
**Author:** ![Bait\_er\_De\_Outlier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bait_er_de_outlier/32/227962_2.png) [@Bait\_er\_De\_Outlier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bait_er_De_Outlier)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/573 "2019-07-30T16:34:10Z")
Aside from trolling it’s base I suspect CCP’s real goal was to drive up the numbers on people visiting the forums and posting and CCP figured out the nerve to hit… No one likes taxes in real life and jacking them up in the game in a way that literally will only benefit structure owners etc while adding nothing kind of seems to do it. How about laying off CONCORD since they won’t fight trig invasion rats or incursion rats or belt rats or sleepers (etc etc) or cutting their response down to emergency calls only per the PANIC BUTTON for hisec thread? And while you’re at it lower the taxes accordingly and use them to fix that sinkhole a few blocks down the road that swallows the garbage truck? ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/574 "2019-07-30T16:39:56Z")
said it bevore “Season of skills” buy plex to get more isk and ships…. thats says it all. they whant to remove isk and stuff and then they sell plex so you can get more…. ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/575 "2019-07-30T16:57:19Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Don’t be silly, Arrendis. Taxes = _socialuzm!_ which we all know is communism and democrat territory. > > … or something. I will never understand their trains of thought. I suspect they may not actually be thoughts, but some sort of if-then programming of the most basic sort. A tail of two cities (both are about the same size and both started out fairly poor)… I lived my formative years in a city that was relatively poor when we moved there but had reasonable taxation polices which lead to a huge police force and low crime, huge fire department and excellent infrastructure. The police force, fire department and infrastructure spending paid off because it attracted more and more economic development and now the city has raised its fortunes to moderate status by California standards (homes run from 350,000 for aged homes to millions for new homes on large plots). I currently live in an anti-taxes city, we have torn up streets, an insufficient police force, a grossly insufficient fire department and poor economic growth since our infrastructure is not sufficient to attract economic development. So, I’ll tell you what people that like taxes think, that having a good infrastructure, and having solid support systems is better for everyone and the result of people that hate taxes is inevitable, they don’t pay for services and infrastructure even when they must for their own quality of life (infrastructure / economic development) and their own safety (police, fire dept, military, etc). [If you are wondering why I don’t just move back to my childhood city it is because my income making years occurred when the city was relatively cheap to live in and now that it is moderate by California standards I cannot afford the homes and other cost of living prices of that city. Even though my entire family and many of the other ‘old families’ of the city have been economically forced out of the city, I still would not want that city to have taken any other path than it took.] p.s. I would love to see the city I currently live in stop its anti-taxes ways and prosper because the time-frame it would take to economically force me out of the city would probably take decades longer than I have remaining to live. The city I currently live in has potential upon potential upon potential to become an economic powerhouse but as long as the anti-taxes majority keep voting every tax vote the city proposes down, the cities fortunes will at a best hold stable and at worst bring the city to economic collapse. And onto the topic at hand… Brokers Fees should be based, in part, off how long an item is put up for sale and changing the price of an item should not reset the duration of the items sale length. Also the brokers fee associated with changing the price of an item should be based off a percentage of the asking price and not a standardized fee. Lastly, .01 Isk price bumps should be eliminated in favor of a minimum increase based off a percentage of the asking price of the item. So, perhaps items costing a mllion isk or less can be bumped by .01 Isk but items costing a billion ISK might require say 10,000 Isk to bump the price. ---
**Author:** ![Elwha\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elwha_lynx/32/246048_2.png) [@Elwha\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elwha_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/576 "2019-07-30T17:05:40Z")
That doesn’t make sense. all those plexes in game are paid for with real money. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/577 "2019-07-30T17:08:08Z")
> [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](#): > > I’ll tell you what people that like taxes think _pssst_. You missed the sarcasm. It was directed at the people who think all taxes are automagically ebul. ---
**Author:** ![JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justified_arrogance/32/263131_2.png) [@JUSTIFIED\_ARROGANCE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JUSTIFIED_ARROGANCE)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/578 "2019-07-30T17:10:48Z")
Opps, sorry sarcasm isnt always the easist thing to pick up on on the internet…lol. Anyways… My beliefs both in RL and in-game have been expressed at least. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/579 "2019-07-30T17:12:19Z")
I think this link is appropriate here ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/580 "2019-07-30T17:21:29Z")
> [@Bijeneter](#): > > Don’t you get enough money already that you have to use taxes to try to get more money from the players? How exactly are you imagining CCP are taking a fictional currency inside a game - a currency I might add they can spawn, delete and move around at will - and somehow “getting more money from the players” from it? It’s an isk sink. The only place that isk goes is _oblivion_. Even if it somehow went into a CCP corporation in the game, it’s still an imaginary damn currency that, again, they could have just spawned however and whenever they wish anyway, and doesn’t translate _out_ of the game. > [@Bijeneter](#): > > So my reaction is simple: I bought plexes for about 4000 euro, well that will end as soon as the taxes go up. And if the situation deteriorates further, I can think of 14 other free space games that come into view. That’s somewhere around 1.25 monthly paychecks for me, that. You spent that on _PLEX?_ Suddenly things are becoming somewhat clearer. You have so little grasp of value and money that you can’t even fathom how imaginary currencies work, much less real ones. Thank you for being one of those dim arses that stuff CCP wallets for us. Damn. I thought I was a whale splurging on Firewall Breach skins and the original monocle. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/581 "2019-07-30T17:21:30Z")
I have to agree with Mizhara. I played Eve for several years while studying mathematics. I used my spare time to grind the isk to keep my ■■■■ plexed. There was no income in real life I could have had as convinient as isk ingame. Ratting, mining with several toons whenever I feel like it was better and more efficient than working shitty jobs and buy plex. Now I am done with my studies for quite a while, got a job in my field and shelling out for some plex a month doesn’t even make a difference. The mindless grind in eve is way more annoying and less efficient than just doing a couple additional hours at work. ---
**Author:** ![Akane\_Minami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akane_minami/32/151736_2.png) [@Akane\_Minami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akane_Minami)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/582 "2019-07-30T17:33:50Z")
I’m sick and tired of CCP. Triglavian invasion is too much of a hassle… Tax increase? You’re kidding. I’m done. I need time other than Eve Online. ---
**Author:** ![Amadis\_Rodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amadis_rodo/32/348507_2.png) [@Amadis\_Rodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amadis_Rodo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/583 "2019-07-30T18:13:33Z")
As someone that still hasn’t figured out what my NPC corp taxes fictitiously go to (no FNA response fleet has ever warped to my rescue when I get jumped in a belt like those lucky NPC mining corps have), I am somewhat curious how this new tax is going to represent itself in the game. Faster CONCORD response times? More gate guns? A shiny new monument in some lowsec system honoring the first player to solo the World Ark? Do tell, CCP, do tell. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/584 "2019-07-30T18:26:54Z")
And on this note, I do feel like this new age of introducing mechanics changes via RP/lore faffery is vaguely annoying, if only because then we get this. NPC taxes are just an ISK sink. They go into a blackhole. That’s fine, and you already know that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/585 "2019-07-30T18:29:45Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > I do feel like this new age of introducing mechanics changes via RP/lore faffery is vaguely annoying, if only because then we get this. It’d be fine if the following devblogs would actually explain the _intentions_ behind the mechanics changes. You know, so people didn’t have to go and use up their entire town’s supply of tinfoil trying to figure out WTF is going on, and why it won’t actually do what CCP thinks it’ll do. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Quilichini](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_quilichini/32/148453_2.png) [@Thomas\_Quilichini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Quilichini)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/586 "2019-07-30T18:33:58Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > if a new player was to buy $500 in PLEX to get ISK they would essentially be throwing away $50 in tax Ca devient débile ce jeu après le black out !, un coup de chance que j’ai décidé d’arrêter , bon je le dis en Français , tout le monde s’en fou ! ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/587 "2019-07-30T18:38:17Z")
CCP Zulu never left and he needs more ISK to buy pants, is my theory. Edit: And if anyone still has that cartoon floating around, please send it my way. ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcolm_arzadar/32/139122_2.png) [@Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcolm_Arzadar)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/591 "2019-07-30T19:57:15Z")
This outrage is incredible. I think people hear “taxes” and immediately their brains break. Do the math. The difference is quite small. If you think the poor alphas aren’t going to sub because their fictional taxes on pretend money went up 2.5% you are delusional. Stop arguing in bad faith ffs ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_AdventPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_adventprime/32/146595_2.png) [@Roland\_AdventPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_AdventPrime)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/592 "2019-07-30T20:01:27Z")
Your right, sorry for being apart of the arguing troll banter. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/593 "2019-07-30T20:17:03Z")
What I love is the theoretical economic rollercoaster. raise taxes. prices go up, prices go up, people top buying, people stop buying , prices go down. pretty simple until you add PLEX to the equation PLEX price goes up. people have less isk (because of other changes) so they cant afford to PLEX accounts. do they unsub or go alpha or buy PLEX with cash? no one knows that answer We can only speculate that CCP considered this along with the isk sink effect. guys in our comms are thinking that they hope it will lead to more cash PLEX purchases. but again, pure speculation. ---
**Author:** ![plexbichest\_bitchester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plexbichest_bitchester/32/147493_2.png) [@plexbichest\_bitchester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plexbichest_bitchester)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/594 "2019-07-30T20:23:38Z")
Honestly this is amazing. Highsec with blackout “YEHA TOO KUCH MONEY ■■■■ NULL IM COMING FOR YOU NULL! CRY MORE KRABS UR ALL BOTS” Hisec gets an equally oppressive bitch slap by CCP that also affects newer players much harsher than rich guys… “Wtf is this how could you ccp this is impossible to play” Pick a side. (and ccp do wormholes and lowsec/npc null next so i can see the “htfu” crowd show their true colors) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=30)