# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamonddallas_paige/32/144209_2.png) [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DiamondDallas_Paige)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/656 "2019-07-31T21:39:08Z")
Oh oh look! Another FU to alpha isk generation! I mean at this point what is next, remove battleship skills? Go back to mono racial alphas? Remove all T2 weapons cause obviously belt ratting is too easy for bots right? Damn CCP you used to have the right to say HTFU, now you are really taking it deep from the canine consumers. ---
**Author:** ![Karan\_Kaldarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karan_kaldarian/32/208739_2.png) [@Karan\_Kaldarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karan_Kaldarian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/657 "2019-07-31T21:57:55Z")
Yep. It seems so… ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/658 "2019-07-31T22:03:45Z")
If they won’t thrash lowsec and WHs next i’d be suprised. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/659 "2019-07-31T22:14:44Z")
We need NPC docking and storage taxes ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/660 "2019-07-31T22:52:39Z")
I wish the result of this would be lots of little markets everywhere with people using the markets that they have the best standing for, but I doubt it will ever be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/661 "2019-07-31T22:59:15Z")
Yeah, I don’t see that happening. Given the ease of transportation, a megahub is a natural development. But hey, maybe in this new CHAOS ERA the Triglavian invasion will result in the creation of some more lowsec breaking up the main mass of contiguous highsec (after the additional tax funding proves inadequate to mount a full defense, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/662 "2019-07-31T23:05:17Z")
True if the 4 main high sec areas have at least 1 low sec between them a lot of players would refuse to cross the low sec and find a new trade hub instead. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/663 "2019-07-31T23:47:08Z")
It wouldn’t even take all that much. Break the HS/HS connections by making most of Sinq Liaison lowsec, as well as Niarja and a few more systems in Metropolis. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/664 "2019-07-31T23:52:37Z")
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have lowsec separating the nations, and even more I’d _adore_ a system allowing for further destabilizing space and widening the lowsec gulfs through new FW mechanics and frontline mechanics, etc etc… … but I’m not entirely sure it’d have any real effect. If you’re competent enough to use the markets properly as is, you’ve got enough JF, DST and BR capabilities across your accounts that it’ll matter sod all for those of us who know what we’re doing… and the ones that don’t are dying in droves to code, miniluv, PIRAT, etc etc anyway. It might slightly reinvigorate Rens, Hek and Dodixie as clever people start profiting from the smaller supply lines of region/nation specific material availability and price differences, but I’m not sure enough people would be affected that it’d really make _that_ much difference. I love the idea and want to see it for so many reasons, it’s just… I just have my doubts it’ll really affect anyone who _matters_. Edit: It is also something that’d have to be watched carefully, because that kind of thing could potentially depopulate some areas as highsec bears moves to Caldari space and stays there permanently. I want to see it, but I think we need a lot more data on such a venture. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/665 "2019-08-01T00:03:54Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > If you’re competent enough to use the markets properly as is, you’ve got enough JF, DST and BR capabilities across your accounts that it’ll matter sod all for those of us who know what we’re doing > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Edit: It is also something that’d have to be watched carefully, because that kind of thing could potentially depopulate some areas as highsec bears moves to Caldari space and stays there permanently. I thought about this, but is that the majority of _customers_? Because if it’s not, and the majority of people in high-sec won’t be moving things via JF and BR… the sellers will go where the buyers are, in time. And I think, with a bit of incentivization, the system can be pushed a bit more firmly in that direction—especially if the null empires are encouraged to help spread things out. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/666 "2019-08-01T00:09:18Z")
Fair’nuff. Geopo… errr… is it still “geo” politics in a star cluster? Whatever, stellarpolitics will have its say though, and when you look at the map you’ll find that the reason Jita and Amarr are the main tradehubs doesn’t stop being a reason if you introduce lowsec separations. You might be right, but I suspect it also has the potential to just worsen the disparity between nations in terms of capsuleer trade. … or not. Frankly impossible to tell at this point. Sounds like it’d be an _amazing_ experience figuring it out though. I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/667 "2019-08-01T00:12:46Z")
I’ve been using ‘cosmopolitical’. And no, the underlying reasons don’t go away completely. But those underlying reasons can be disrupted. Right now, the ISK generation in HS has mirrored where the trade hubs are. If CCP takes steps to blow up Jita and encourage a decentralized model, the HS activity will spread out, too. ---
**Author:** ![Jo\_Messier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jo_messier/32/445132_2.png) [@Jo\_Messier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jo_Messier)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/668 "2019-08-01T01:45:55Z")
So, your idea to improve the game is to make it more expensive for people to trade everything, more expensive for alphas/newbies to get started, and likely driving all player-owned markets with the exception of the big cartels out of business. Your definition of “improvement” needs a little work, methinks. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/669 "2019-08-01T02:10:33Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have lowsec separating the nations Just to toss out an idea, what about a Triglavian buffer instead of a lowsec one? ---
**Author:** ![Amon\_Calis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amon_calis/32/178551_2.png) [@Amon\_Calis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amon_Calis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/670 "2019-08-01T02:33:38Z")
Do it but rework asset safety. Make it an expensive fee to retrieve. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/671 "2019-08-01T03:59:35Z")
Any kind of space that means there’s purely HS connections would be an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Ahuraa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahuraa/32/245386_2.png) [@Ahuraa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahuraa)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/672 "2019-08-01T04:18:37Z")
when will changes take effect, they haven’t put this into Updates timeline yet? [https://updates.eveonline.com/](https://updates.eveonline.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/673 "2019-08-01T04:59:19Z")
There is a purge coming folks… CCP is going to burn most of the NPC markets and let players to fight over the markets. This will create hyper competition which will drop the prices. The taxes are there to act as a brake/relief if they got the maths wrong. Turning HS into a safe version of NS is CCP’s last card to play and it’s a good one. Coming this fall/winter(?). ---
**Author:** ![Kazuo\_Neubauten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kazuo_neubauten/32/152009_2.png) [@Kazuo\_Neubauten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kazuo_Neubauten)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/674 "2019-08-01T05:02:20Z")
Taxation is theft. Is the goal now to hinder more Market PVP? Seems like you’re trying to bottle-neck this game into just blob warfare and nothing else. Think you guys need to start working on a HOMEWORLD clone or something and stop trying to turn EvE into a blob simulator. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/675 "2019-08-01T05:06:22Z")
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