# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/757 "2019-08-05T09:04:21Z")
The only one, who is kinda looking stupid, is you. Neither you can imagine why CCP changed the taxes, nor is this “pushing people into Omega”. ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_AdventPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_adventprime/32/146595_2.png) [@Roland\_AdventPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_AdventPrime)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/759 "2019-08-07T21:54:55Z")
> [@Rhivre](#): > > Accounting V is 9.4m SP? Hi Rhivre, no it is not, i was combining trade 1-5, Brokers relations 1-5 and a handful of other skills that effect standings with NPC in case your standings are low. ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_AdventPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_adventprime/32/146595_2.png) [@Roland\_AdventPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_AdventPrime)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/761 "2019-08-07T22:01:52Z")
> [@Malcolm\_Arzadar](#): > > I was replying to someone else tbh i am sorry, for not understanding that, all of a sudden I felt like I was being trolled by like 4 people for asking what I thought was a clear question that then turned into a debate about topics I wasn’t even talking , that only vaguely resembled my original question ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Jayden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_jayden/32/129304_2.png) [@Sara\_Jayden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Jayden)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/762 "2019-08-09T23:02:53Z")
> - Increase the minimum taxation on player owned structures by 125% from 1% to 2.25%. I dont understand that. What means that? Is market tax = sales tax? I think the market tax on poses are setable by the owner from 0 to 50%? ---
**Author:** ![Moac\_Tor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moac_tor/32/137663_2.png) [@Moac\_Tor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moac_Tor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/763 "2019-08-10T02:16:52Z")
The buy orders will take into the account the broker fee in the price offered, and you still pay the sales tax. I thought you were meant to be the goons economic guru, so you must know this. ---
**Author:** ![Moac\_Tor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moac_tor/32/137663_2.png) [@Moac\_Tor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moac_Tor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/764 "2019-08-10T02:25:45Z")
> [@Sabriz\_Adoudel](#): > > These changes are bad and should be reworked. > > Increasing sales taxes is actually a positive for the game even though it will hurt me. The game needs more ISK sinks and this is a good one. > > But increasing broker fees in NPC stations only is one of the most foolish change proposals I’ve seen in a long time. It’s going to counteract an ISK sink by sharply reducing the amount of ISK actually removed from the game via broker fees, as players will simply move to player owned structures where the ISK is only transferred. > > Also, I don’t like this pushing production more and more toward vertically integrated production lines. It’s going to be much less viable to buy or sell intermediate products (e.g. Tungsten Carbide Armor Plating) to someone else who then finishes a product, as each transaction incurs new taxes. > > Want a better solution? Keep the current broker fees but add an additional a non-bypassable 1% broker fee (stacking with whatever the structure owner charges) that is simply removed from the game. And (as much as I abuse this at the moment) remove the ability to refresh durations of orders by 0.01ing them. It’s ridiculous that I can keep up extremely speculative sell orders for 100 isk per 75 days at present. This change, as well as increasing ISK sinks, is clearly is intended to push people towards using player owned structures. Why do you think the goons economic guy is on full spin mode. This will push a lot of trade out of Jita into the goon/PH etc. owned structures. ---
**Author:** ![Moac\_Tor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moac_tor/32/137663_2.png) [@Moac\_Tor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moac_Tor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/765 "2019-08-10T02:38:08Z")
It won’t really make much different to the trader, as the price will be passed onto the end user as is always the case. The end result will basically be prices for all items to increase across the board slightly, and more high value trade to be pushed to low tax havens such as player structure, contracts, or out of game exchanges. What’s happening in the PLEX market now though seems to me to be more to do with people overreacting and panic selling because they don’t know what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![GuantnmoBaywatch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/guantnmobaywatch/32/336520_2.png) [@GuantnmoBaywatch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GuantnmoBaywatch)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/766 "2019-08-15T04:37:54Z")
This is a real bummer for those of us that thoroughly enjoyed playing the market. Yes, I have an alt specced for day trading that has all the skills, but just skimming an additional 1.25% off what would only be 8-10% ROI is such a huge nerf! At volume this is a total joke. SAD! ---
**Author:** ![Sentenced\_1989](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sentenced_1989/32/380733_2.png) [@Sentenced\_1989](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sentenced_1989)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/767 "2019-08-15T12:25:30Z")
And after everybody moves to citadels, you can expect removal of asset safety by the end of the year. And then the real fun starts 😃 I will still keep my stuff in Jita 4-4 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/768 "2019-08-16T15:11:01Z")
Smart man. Just do instabuying and instaselling as much as you can if you weren’t already… leave the sell orders and buy orders for special occasions or else just wait and be patient if margins between buy and sell are too wide for you right now. ---
**Author:** ![Shana\_SkyWalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shana_skywalker/32/153029_2.png) [@Shana\_SkyWalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shana_SkyWalker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/769 "2019-08-20T07:02:09Z")
Holy ■■■■ CCP i’m loosing so much ISK to tax now it’s making the market trading profession practically nonviable. I have accounting 4 and brokers fee 4 with 3.89 standing with emperor and still I am paying more tax now than before the change??? I even paid for Omega so I could increase the the skills mentioned. Are you seriously that desperate to piss your player base off? ---
**Author:** ![bwes\_yhu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bwes_yhu/32/136613_2.png) [@bwes\_yhu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bwes_yhu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/770 "2019-08-20T08:52:08Z")
I’ve got 5/5, and 9.8 base standings. The upshot of the change is, regardless of what skills etc you’ve got, tax in NPC stations is now much higher. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/771 "2019-08-20T11:53:44Z")
> [@Shana\_SkyWalker](#): > > Holy ■■■■ CCP i’m loosing so much ISK to tax now it’s making the market trading profession practically nonviable. If that’s the case, wouldn’t _all_ the traders be increasing their buy/sell spread to increase margins and, essentially, pass the tax increase on to the customers? > [@Shana\_SkyWalker](#): > > I have accounting 4 and brokers fee 4 with 3.89 standing with emperor and still I am paying more tax now than before the change??? I’m not sure what is surprising about this? Sales tax increased 150%. Accounting only reduces sales tax by 50% so, yes, the new tax at level 5 accounting is more than the old tax with no accounting. ---
**Author:** ![Zapp\_McDouche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zapp_mcdouche/32/290332_2.png) [@Zapp\_McDouche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zapp_McDouche)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/772 "2019-08-20T12:08:50Z")
as someone who has a real life job and the isk making ingame isn’t going to break me that much. But I feel sorry for the tryhard players that try to play eve like their 2nd job to break even… ---
**Author:** ![Shana\_SkyWalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shana_skywalker/32/153029_2.png) [@Shana\_SkyWalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shana_SkyWalker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/773 "2019-08-20T19:34:49Z")
Yeah I too have a full time job ass munch - never assume (assumption is the mother of all ■■■■ up’s) Some of us don’t want to waste their hard earned cash on buying plex, some of us have a family and children to look after first. ---
**Author:** ![Scorp\_Majors](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scorp_majors/32/123732_2.png) [@Scorp\_Majors](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scorp_Majors)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/774 "2019-08-21T05:37:16Z")
at least they get to vote about it now… There is a difference between getting taxes increased that were voted in and getting them increased without a say. So tell us, why would the taxes need to be increased so much later? Will Concord go on strike for more isk? ---
**Author:** ![Joanaas\_KILLforFREE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joanaas_killforfree/32/151477_2.png) [@Joanaas\_KILLforFREE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joanaas_KILLforFREE)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/775 "2019-08-24T18:50:39Z")
Cause i won’t be able to defend it from war with a large corp… which will inevitably happen if i am going to compete with those guys for the market… ---
**Author:** ![Ahuraa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahuraa/32/245386_2.png) [@Ahuraa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahuraa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/776 "2019-09-13T06:23:33Z")
it is now safe to say that the change really screwed us traders with this change, thanks CCP. ![market](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/a/2a8e6a7a2fe6706a75cb9c1baea422e3b8fd6ea1.png) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/777 "2019-09-13T06:27:55Z")
The phrase is “Adapt or Die” not “Adapt or Cry”… Also, get ready for what’s coming because you will like that…or maybe more crying…who knows… ---
**Author:** ![Ahuraa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahuraa/32/245386_2.png) [@Ahuraa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahuraa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/778 "2019-09-13T06:29:13Z")
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