# Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876 "2019-07-29T16:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Khelia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khelia/32/188871_2.png) [@Khelia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khelia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/166 "2019-07-29T19:01:33Z")
I disagree with the changes to the sink in the first place, the current skill benefits are already a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Wedge\_Yamamoto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wedge_yamamoto/32/151462_2.png) [@Wedge\_Yamamoto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wedge_Yamamoto)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/167 "2019-07-29T19:02:14Z")
> [@Rhivre](#): > > the transaction tax isnt 0% anywhere. > > It is currently 1% in a player structure. It is 2.25% after the changes You’re right. I meant broker’s fee. Everyone pays transaction tax but on the sell side and it’s the same in NPC and POS hubs. The only thing that matters from the incentive perspective is the thing that players can set to be lower than the NPC stations. ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcolm_arzadar/32/139122_2.png) [@Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcolm_Arzadar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/168 "2019-07-29T19:03:51Z")
An isk sink is when isk leaves the game. An isk faucet is when isk enters the game. Any insurance is an isk faucet regardless of what you paid another player for the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/169 "2019-07-29T19:04:29Z")
why ok - ccp took passive income off Alliances with moon mining changes Alliances are probably hemorrhaging isk this might give it back ? just a thought ![Ideas%20room](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/9/49623e1327ba876c99dc78c8f409f2adf481e23f.jpeg) Best ideas come at a strain 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/170 "2019-07-29T19:07:08Z")
> [@Lucius\_Aubaris](#): > > I think part of the point of this is driving people to capsuleer corps and citadels. Get people used to doing business in cits, and when the empires are literally on fire because of trigs, drifters, Jovian herpes, a bad batch of quafe, or whatever, we won’t even notice the Empire hubs are gone. Ohhh, a very large bulk of players will still notice (and care) if the Empire hubs are destroyed. Count on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/171 "2019-07-29T19:09:04Z")
> [@Compo](#): > > Alliances are probably hemorrhaging isk this might give it back ? Alliances were enjoying their 1% tax 0% broker fee internal markets in NS. With this change it will be 2.25% tax and 0% broker fee. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/172 "2019-07-29T19:09:06Z")
Sure, but a lot of people bring up insurance as if everyone losing ships is making up the entire cost of the hulls (nevermind the fits), and just wanted to remind peops that’s only possibly true for t1 hulls of any size. No one’s insurance scamming their t2/t3 hulls is all I’m saying, it’s not a benefit to lose those for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/173 "2019-07-29T19:11:26Z")
was on about the removal to npc station markets moving it to player as Wedge\_Yamamoto was talking about ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/174 "2019-07-29T19:12:29Z")
BUT wait theirs more ![changes](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/5/15c96bef3b1af78ff05b79effce898013f4e6dcf.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![migou\_shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migou_shouna/32/317535_2.png) [@migou\_shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/migou_shouna)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/175 "2019-07-29T19:15:36Z")
im not welling for increase taxe ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_AdventPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_adventprime/32/146595_2.png) [@Roland\_AdventPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_AdventPrime)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/176 "2019-07-29T19:17:47Z")
Inflations vs Roleplaying Im not a mathematician but those numbers dont seem to correspond with helping, inflation happens when we have an increase in the minimum wage and standard of living goes up. Since we have inflation will we see more pay outs from PVE? That being said I am all about the Roleplaying. In the forum I dont see what the Taxes are going to. Will their be more sentry guns at gates, will there be new stations built? and what are we being defended from? ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcolm_arzadar/32/139122_2.png) [@Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcolm_Arzadar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/177 "2019-07-29T19:19:28Z")
None of that matters because isk doesn’t leave the game when a ship is destroyed, in fact isk is added to the game via insurance pay outs. That’s what an isk faucet is ---
**Author:** ![Youcango\_Poundsand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/youcango_poundsand/32/151467_2.png) [@Youcango\_Poundsand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Youcango_Poundsand)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/178 "2019-07-29T19:19:56Z")
> [@Roland\_AdventPrime](#): > > and what are we being defended from? The will to log in ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/179 "2019-07-29T19:21:01Z")
> [@Tark\_en\_Chalune](#): > > Goonswarm should [. . .] in addition to CODE.'s efforts. Please never ~~speak~~ think again. Oh, wait… yer _ASCEE_. You won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Isak\_Berender](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isak_berender/32/254129_2.png) [@Isak\_Berender](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isak_Berender)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/180 "2019-07-29T19:22:11Z")
Taxation is theft. Who proposed this? No more votes from me. Oh what am I thinking…CSM: “I have an idea!” CCP: “Shutup” ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcolm_arzadar/32/139122_2.png) [@Malcolm\_Arzadar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcolm_Arzadar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/181 "2019-07-29T19:22:30Z")
Profit is theft ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/182 "2019-07-29T19:22:57Z")
if you want to remove isk form the game. Just add a tax on modification of an order based on the order’s new value. like 1%. ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_AdventPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_adventprime/32/146595_2.png) [@Roland\_AdventPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_AdventPrime)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/183 "2019-07-29T19:27:28Z")
There is a reason why we cant just buy ISK, i imagine its so they can tax it and make us buy more, which is it really helping them for lowering how much isk is in the game or lining their ccps pockets more? I think If you sell something then it should stay the same and not get double taxed in my opinion ---
**Author:** ![Amalgamma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amalgamma/32/151519_2.png) [@Amalgamma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amalgamma)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/184 "2019-07-29T19:27:47Z")
burn in hell ССР ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/186 "2019-07-29T19:31:25Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just add a tax on modification of an order based on the order’s new value. like 1%. Why not full broker’s fee? You are, in fact, fully renewing your order. Also it is about time to take higher fees for longer orders (Why isnt this a thing?). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876.md?page=10)