# Did CCP report the change in Storyline missions derived faction standings? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [December 4, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856 "2023-12-04T07:18:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Grey\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grey_stone/32/381278_2.png) [@Grey\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grey_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/1 "2023-12-04T07:18:57Z")
I noticed since a week ago that there are some changes in the derived standings received when doing storyline missions. For example, the lvl4 mission Materials For War Preparation given by Iwaya Naukko for Serpentis Inquest corporation was giving negative derived standing for Gallente and Minmatar factions. This was like this since forever. Now the negative derived standings is received for Amarr, Caldari and Concord Assembly also. Did CCP mentioned this changes? Or this is a bug? Furthermore, the amount of faction standings gained is half what it used to be. It was +0.269 and now is +0.129. This is a significant change. Thx, GS ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/2 "2023-12-04T08:55:57Z")
Would propose to open a ticket, CCP messed something with regards to standings in the havoc patch. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/3 "2023-12-04T09:07:23Z")
Standings should be able to be passively raised but you have to choose between training skill points or passively raising standings ---
**Author:** ![Grey\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grey_stone/32/381278_2.png) [@Grey\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grey_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/4 "2023-12-04T09:11:33Z")
Thx. I opened a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/5 "2023-12-04T10:00:57Z")
> [@Grey\_Stone](#): > > Did CCP mentioned this changes? Or this is a bug? Yes, as a part of Havoc the factions‘ attitudes towards each other was adjusted. It is not a bug because these determine derived standings (how much and to whom). ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/c/ebc7cd7c6d4ba97a5170ee384cff944af5db1fce.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Grey\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grey_stone/32/381278_2.png) [@Grey\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grey_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/6 "2023-12-04T11:11:26Z")
I see. That is unfortunate. Lowering by half the faction standing gains through storyline missions is a bad move as it was already pain to increase the standings and now it will be pain x2. Also, having pirate missions lowering standings with all empire factions instead of just 2 is also a major blow to a mission runners. What to do. It is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/7 "2023-12-04T11:17:42Z")
> [@Grey\_Stone](#): > > Lowering by half the faction standing gains through storyline missions is a bad move as it was already pain to increase the standings and now it will be pain x2. This is unrelated to the patch notes which only talks about standings relationships between factions. It could be a display issue, or that social skills are not applied, or something else. It also affects all other standing gains and losses. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/8 "2023-12-04T11:52:28Z")
^this. Please create a ticket. The derived faction standing is the impact on other standing that you get when gaining a faction standing change. When you get a faction standing change except epics, you also gain a non-derivable faction gain on other factions, depending on the relation between the faction you gaine standing for, and the other factions. This gain is capped to the standing between those faction, so if caldari has +5 with amarr, and you already are +5 base with caldari, you won’t get a gain. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/9 "2023-12-04T12:02:19Z")
> [@Grey\_Stone](#): > > Now the negative derived standings is received for … Concord Assembly Is it still the case that CA faction standings can not be raised? (see below) > [@CONCORD Assembly Standing](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/concord-assembly-standing/401306/2): > > Currently there’s no way in-game to raise Concord Assembly standing. If your Concord Faction standing drops to -5.00 or lower, you will be attacked upon entering Concord controlled systems in Sanctum Constellation, Genesis Region. When in that area you will be attacked by Concord Navy NPC’s. Those NPC’s are not the insta-killing Concord Police NPC’s. Because if that’s still the case that will mess up people’s standings without a means to correct it. 👀 :psyccp: 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/10 "2023-12-04T12:08:48Z")
Unless they add back in the CA agents ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/11 "2023-12-04T12:25:45Z")
> [@COMING NOVEMBER 14 HAVOC | DUST | A New First Person Shooter? bullseye](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/coming-november-14-havoc-dust-a-new-first-person-shooter/425753/35): > > Waiting with great anticipation. popcornsmirk ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-report-the-change-in-storyline-missions-derived-faction-standings/430856/12 "2024-03-03T12:26:44Z")
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