# Did CCP secretly nerf Emerging Conduit as of today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209 "2020-01-23T11:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/331 "2020-01-27T01:11:51Z")
You sound more pathetic honestly. ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/332 "2020-01-27T09:31:43Z")
I understand CCP is a business, and everybody needs to make a living. The problem is not the genuine players, we get hit with the nerf hammer everytime. Just remove PLEX and skill injectors… all problems solved No more 1 day old chars botting 24/7. And CCP should make real work to hunt down the bots and finally do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/333 "2020-01-27T09:35:06Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > And CCP should make real work to hunt down the bots and finally do something about it. That’s a race they are bound to lose. So, that’s wasted money. Do you want CCP to spend money to chase after bots and fail, or do you want CCP to spend money to fix the infrastructure ? Choose one. ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/334 "2020-01-27T09:40:45Z")
Problem of every game is bots, be successful in banning them, and the whole community will be better off. … there are no free meals, so the worst decission CCP ever made is Plex, and the second place goes to skill injectors… You want to play the game, just pay the subscription fee and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/335 "2020-01-27T10:03:44Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > Problem of every game is bots, be successful in banning them, and the whole community will be better off. I think everybody agrees with that. But there’s no solution for that, besides removing trade between players. So if there is no solution, then there is no issue. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/336 "2020-01-27T12:28:24Z")
I totally get that. But that is the problem isn’t it… Get rid of Alpha to remove the bots? Wouldn’t get rid of them all and I believe that as much as there are a great number of people who stay Alpha to avoid playing it does also bring in more people who move up to Omega so that’s a no-go really. Or maybe they could work harder to catch the bots? Sure, but how hard is that? It is like everything else, for every solution there is someone who will find 2 new scams/dodges or whatever so that’s being done as it can I guess too. Yes, remove PLEX & Injectors! No, wait. With how the game economy works that wouldn’t be a good idea and without injectors etc the “maxing-out” time for a standard, non-implanted Omega is what…?.. 22 years or something impossible? Ok, not that one then… I really do get your point but to clarify mine - it isn’t so much about the bots or anything like that. I am just sick of all the whining now from people who were taking advantage of a well-intentioned-but-massively-exploited addition to the game that has since been made much less (and very sensibly so) profitable for people to be able to afk-farm. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/337 "2020-01-27T12:59:36Z")
Or maybe you could, like, I don’t know, actually give the company some money, to PLEX your account? If it is THAT important to you. Gosh, they already give you a way to do it by just playing the game but you still have the balls to complain because it takes too much time. Pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/338 "2020-01-27T13:14:29Z")
It’s always the same thing, bot exploit things, then the nerf hammer comes in and hits the genuine players. Bots mining in high sec… =\> nerf mining bots running conduits =\> nerf conduits etc. etc. How many examples do you need ? It’s a never ending story. So if the root cause doesn’t get tackled… it will be another thing in 6 months. It can’t be that hard to catch bots… look at young accounts, follow activity and then follow the money trail… I’m pretty sure if you have access to the players activity data it can’t be very hard to find out… I’m sure many people reported 1 day old chars plying rattlesnakes, running conduits 24/7… but what gets done… nothing!!, instead of banning these accounts… right nerf the content for everyone… And yes I’m against plex… this should not exist, same for injectors if you can spend $$ you can have better skills, this is just nonsense imho… train skills like anyone else and wait… And here it gets to another discussion if the wait time is reasonable or not, but that’s another discussion. But again, I think it’s stupid if you allow skill injectors, that in the end comes only down to who has the biggest wallet. Let everyone play for 15$ a month, no pay no game… and remove all the other crap, so at least you have a level playing field. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/339 "2020-01-27T13:16:18Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > etc. etc. How many examples do you need ? bot bunning L4 distribution → remove L4 . > [@REV001](#): > > So if the root cause doesn’t get tackled… it will be another thing in 6 months. Indeed. CCP can’t tackle the root cause. > [@REV001](#): > > It can’t be that hard to catch bots… look at young accounts, follow activity and then follow the money trail… I’m pretty sure if you have access to the players activity data it can’t be very hard to find out… And you base that on … ? ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/340 "2020-01-27T13:30:23Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And you base that on … ? By using my two little braincells 😉 1. CCP get botting reports… They can seroulsly look at these chars for a start. 2. I’m sure CCP can use google “buy isk eve online” - they can purchase some isk, and see where the isk came from. Follow the money trail… not only banning the selling account but research where the isk came from, might highlight tons of isk bot income 3. Database analytics, could also highlight unusual activity, worth further investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/341 "2020-01-27T13:32:20Z")
ok so you have no experience on the field ? FYI CCP already does all of that. > **[Monthly Security Report - September 2019 | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pyuqzj/monthly-security-report-september-2019)** > > Check out this devblog to read the Monthly Security Report for September 2019 which details current action against botting, RMT and account hacking. ``` 732 account bans for account hacking. 2822 account bans for botting related activities. 1706 account bans for RMT related activities. ``` ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/342 "2020-01-27T13:43:28Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > ok so you have no experience on the field ? I do have experience in database analytics, but that’s besides the topic and question. Where is the report on bans from October, November, December ? Since you are a fan of skill injectors, need to keep banning these account all the time… No skill injectors no 1 day chars that can run conduits with battleships… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/343 "2020-01-27T13:54:08Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > but that’s besides the topic and question. It’s not since you are bringing your own opinion. > [@REV001](#): > > Where is the report on bans from October, November, December ? THAT is besides the topic and question. > [@REV001](#): > > Since you are a fan of skill injectors what ? ---
**Author:** ![REV001](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rev001/32/427720_2.png) [@REV001](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/REV001)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/344 "2020-01-27T14:02:01Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Yes, remove PLEX & Injectors! No, wait. Here > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > THAT is besides the topic and question. it is not… botting bans should be a permanent activity ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/345 "2020-01-27T14:03:15Z")
> [@REV001](#): > > Here again : what ? > [@REV001](#): > > it is not… botting bans should be a permanent activity and still that is unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/346 "2020-01-27T15:48:37Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Let the record show that you were offered the opportunity to clearly state your point, without anyone having to go back through the previous 250+ posts and without any concerns over being misunderstood, and you rejected it in favor of more trolling. > > And no, insults are not an acknowledgement that I’m wrong. They’re an acknowledgement that I despise you and wish you would STFU and leave this game forever. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Let the record show that I don’t care about your opinion of what I should do. Let the record show that you were bitching before even reading what my point actually was. Let the record show that you were trolling from the beginning. Girls! Girls! You’re both pretty ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/347 "2020-01-27T21:16:14Z")
I get your point and while I might not personally agree with some of the points I do get what you’re saying. You also make some points that I do agree with but here is the problem - I don’t work for CCP. I’m guessing you don’t either but you might but that isn’t the thing here. You see, I know about a lot of the issues, really I do. I do agree with a great deal of your points. But - and this is what it comes down to I think - I just don’t know what the answer is. Not even a bloody guess at how to fix it once and for all. None of it. If I did I would be rich enough to buy the bloody game and fix it myself having fixed the exact same issues in every single other online MMO cos this isn’t just a CCP/EVE thing, it is rife throughout ALL of them. But I don’t know how to fx it, CCP don’t, Bethesda don’t, Blizzard don’t - nobody does because it is just not that easy. Having said that, do I personally think “they should do more”? Fk yes I do! Why do I think that? Because I am playing this game and it pisses me off personally but I don’t care about the bots in ESO cos I don’t play that. When I did play it I was just as pissed off about those bots but they weren’t “fixed” and it pissed me off and now I am playing this the bots ‘here’ piss me off. But that is the problem - the botters piss off everyone in whatever game they happen to be playing at that time and yet none of the companies have the solution… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/348 "2020-01-27T22:08:59Z")
> [@Gaea\_Planewalker](#): > > so long and thanks for all the fish! im gonne of this game Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/349 "2020-01-27T22:21:07Z")
> [@Gaea\_Planewalker](#): > > Jesus man, you guys always keep changing everything when it makes us earn ISK, oh nooo God forbid we have to grind for 3 days to PLEX account, no no no lets nerf that and have players go back to grinding for 2 weeks just to PLEX account. The point here is we need ISK to PvP and we dont earn ISK doing PvP we just loose most of the time now we have to grind to pay for PvP ships and that gets boring mate… so long and thanks for all the fish! im gonne of this game This is one of many that will leave, farewell Gaea, I wish you could have stayed but alas a good game is what many of your fellow players do not want you to have. ---
**Author:** ![cMo\_McCloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cmo_mccloud/32/309812_2.png) [@cMo\_McCloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cMo_McCloud)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/350 "2020-01-27T22:52:54Z")
Seriously CCP needs to figure this out, either provide content where we can earn ISK with a decent risk vs reward (Like a real sandbox). Or we will bleed players while micro transactions are shoved in our face. I thought the emerging conduits were a nice balance of risk vs reward and the only good thing that came out of the invasion update. And here they go showing how greedy CCP can really be. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=17)