# Did CCP secretly nerf Emerging Conduit as of today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209 "2020-01-23T11:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/411 "2020-01-29T22:58:53Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Yeah that’s pretty much what you said. Not that’s not. You did not read correctly. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What’s the difference? For one, typical makes no sense, while average makes. being “typical” or not is subjective. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/412 "2020-01-29T23:06:31Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > being “typical” or not is subjective. So is any use of the term average until you are specific about which average. And even then, are you saying you think yourself representative of the average high sec pve runner? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/413 "2020-01-29T23:11:07Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So is any use of the term average until you are specific about which average. Not it’s not. Sorry but your education is lacking. Without any more information, the average is the mean. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > And even then, are you saying you think yourself representative of the average high sec pve runner? No. Seriously, learn to read. You are just making up BS. I say that doing more money in HS outside of EC was possible, and therefore it’s possible that the average EC runner makes less than the average HS farmer ; therefore that we needed more data to know if it was the case, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/414 "2020-01-29T23:21:16Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Not it’s not. > > Sorry but your education is lacking. They are synonymous and Google agrees. Perhaps you should reconsider your owm education or lack there of. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No. > Seriously, learn to read. You are just making up BS. So what was this about? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The FACT is , that you have no idea what is actually possible in HS. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Possible =/= typical. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I was talking about average ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/415 "2020-01-29T23:22:42Z")
Actually, the mean is the point where the most similar results is clustered whereas the average is the result of adding all of the values together and then dividing that total by the number of original inputs. But please, leave here and get better. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/416 "2020-01-29T23:23:37Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I say that doing more money in HS outside of EC was possible, and therefore it’s possible that the average EC runner makes less than the average HS farmer ; therefore that we needed more data to know if it was the case, or not. Ok… But ccp had the data and thought '_lets pull EC’s back a bit’_ What data are you trying to gather? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/417 "2020-01-29T23:26:30Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What data are you trying to gather? unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/418 "2020-01-29T23:28:09Z")
> [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Actually, the mean is the point where the most similar results is clustered whereas the average is the result of adding all of the values together and then dividing that total by the number of original inputs. > > But please, leave here and get better. Please. and > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > They are synonymous and Google agrees. > > Perhaps you should reconsider your owm education or lack there of. > For a [data set](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_set), the [arithmetic mean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_mean), also called the [mathematical expectation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value) or [average](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average), is the central value of a discrete set of numbers: specifically, the sum of the values divided by the number of values. > **[Mean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean)** > > A mean is quantity that has a value which is intermediate to the extreme values of a set of numbers. There are several kinds of means in mathematics, especially in statistics. Each mean serves to summarize a given group of data, often to better understand the overall value (magnitude and sign) of a given data set. > For a data set, the arithmetic mean, also known as "arithmetic average", is a measure of central tendency of a finite set of numbers: specifically, the sum of the values divided by th... You just proved that you are an idiot here. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/419 "2020-01-29T23:32:58Z")
Please stop. Please just log off and talk to someone. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/420 "2020-01-29T23:34:04Z")
Don’t tell me what to do. Your posts on that thread were complete BS. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/421 "2020-01-29T23:37:48Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > unrelated Does that mean you’re not? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You just proved that you are an idiot here You’ve just proved me right… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > being “typical” or not is subjective > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So is any use of the term average until you are specific about which average. I was talking average as in typical. adjective: **average** - having qualities that are seen as typical of a particular person, group, or thing. “_the average lad likes a good night out_” You are talking about the average of a data set. (you weren’t but whatever lol) So until you are specific about which average you mean… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/422 "2020-01-29T23:42:30Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Does that mean you’re not? > **[unrelated](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/unrelated)** > > 1. having no connection: 2. having no connection: 3. not having a connection: for what that means. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You are talking about the average of a data set. (you weren’t but whatever lol) I explicitly stated that my average value of isk/h was from real data. I don’t know what more you need, I’d say to learn to read ? > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So until you are specific about which average you mean… You don’t need to be specific, because the term “average” in the case of data set refers the mean value. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/423 "2020-01-29T23:43:52Z")
Just let it go. [Anderson Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten) is one of those obnoxious people who treats online debate as some kind of weird masturbatory e-sport. They don’t have anything constructive to add, they just watch the forums to see if they can see some inane nitpick to post and declare victory. In this case it’s inane nitpicking over one word in an entire argument. Have they convinced anyone? Have they offered any ideas of merit? Of course not, but they came up with a Rule Of Internet Debate that declares them superior and that’s all that matters. All you have to look forward to here is endless cycles of argument around which definition of “average” was used 50 posts ago. Anderson could easily drop this and just move forward with the definition that has been presented in the clarification, but that would require engaging with the substance of an argument instead of petty sniping with irrelevant nitpicks and declaring victory. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/424 "2020-01-29T23:46:44Z")
You really like to cry a lot. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/425 "2020-01-29T23:48:13Z")
Thread closure incoming in 10… 9… 8… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/426 "2020-01-29T23:49:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I explicitly stated that my average value of isk/h was from real data. I don’t know what more you need, I’d say to learn to read ? Right, but like I say, it’s worthless data. But there was a point where you said this: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > and therefore it’s possible that the average EC runner makes less than the average HS farmer ; therefore that we needed more data to know if it was the case, or not. Is there data (other than yours) for this or not? I’ve got this thread vs 60mil/hour. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You don’t need to be specific, because the term “average” in the case of data set refers the mean value. But when you say this: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > and therefore it’s possible that the **average** EC runner makes less than the average HS farmer ; therefore that we needed more data to know if it was the case, or not. The average means typical yes? If you say it’s unrelated i think I’m going to cry… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/427 "2020-01-29T23:54:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Right, but like I say, it’s worthless data. No it’s not worthless. It proves that you can do more that what you believed was possible. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Is there data (other than yours) for this or not? MY data is enough. One person making over 100M/h means it’s doable, and that your “60M/h” is definitely incorrect as an upper limit. But yeah there are a lot of people who actually show their value of farming. It’s not like I was special. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The average means typical yes? It’s unrel… no, it’s average as the mean. I don’t use terms like “typical” that are not well defined. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/428 "2020-01-30T00:01:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No it’s not worthless. It **proves** that you can do more that what you believed was possible. It proves you can put numbers in a post mate. That’s the trouble. That’s why I’m looking for screenshots and stuffs. I mean for gods sake. We can’t even agree on how difficult they are. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > But yeah there are a lot of people who actually show their value of farming. It’s not like I was special. If anyone has screenshots and the likes I’d be genuinely interested. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/429 "2020-01-30T00:05:15Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That’s why I’m looking for screenshots and stuffs. No. This reason, is because you wanna be spoonfed. If you actually wanted to have real values, you would make some researches. And find out that my numbers are actually in the lower range. You could also give it a try. I did EC, with a 200M/h solo (after a phase of otimisation, data analysis, talking with people, making my webs, etc.) I was better doing missions - which was more chilling. I don’t get why you did not put the effort into it. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > If anyone has screenshots and the likes I’d be genuinely interested. You can search, and maybe you find them. It’s not like people actually interested in that data used screenshots. And BTW people already gave you links to that data. You just decided to ignore them, for whatever reason. Maybe because “they don’t use screenshots”, don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/430 "2020-01-30T00:46:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > If you actually wanted to have real values, you would make some researches. To match the guy doing it for a week to make it comparable I’d want to have some time set aside that i don’t have. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can search, and maybe you find them. I have. It’s typically dick measuring rather than anything reliable. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=21)