# Did CCP secretly nerf Emerging Conduit as of today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209 "2020-01-23T11:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/452 "2020-02-01T15:50:32Z")
> [@Tokaguwa](#): > > Considering how much player numbers have dropped over the years “Leave” is an option too many have chosen and it’s not healthy for this game Disagree. The kind of people that leave because zero-effort farming gets nerfed and they have to move to space where they interact with other players are not people who belong in EVE. They add nothing to the game, and TBH the smart PvE players would love to receive the major income buff that would come from these people (and their loot) disappearing from the market. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > so : source ? Source: the CCP representative explicitly saying “farming ISK from these sites was too much”. Do you also want a source that 1+1=2? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Sure mate. I’d get help for you, if I could, but I’m afraid none can save you. > > You are too stupid to understand the simple words that I used. You lack the basic of education to make a proper discussion, therefore you only rant and insult , like a child can’t even say what’s wrong and relies on crying and screaming. > > Your help will come from you, and only you, the moment you accept you have to make efforts. And now, by your own rules, you have lost the argument and need to quit. You insulted people, that means you have no argument but insults. Or does this rule you’ve invented only apply to other people? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/453 "2020-02-01T16:03:29Z")
> [@Did CCP secretly nerf Emerging Conduit as of today?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/114): > > The design intent behind these sites when they were originally introduced was to provide a taste of Invasion content to those that aren’t necessarily able to take part in Invasions proper, namely aimed at newer players, the hope being that they would team up and tackle the content together. This meant creating a piece of content that was widely available and easy to access, hence the 1 min respawn and HS-wide distribution. These goals were satisfied but I will be the first to admit that I did … I’m taking ‘minmaxing’ and the reference to numbers to mean unexpectedly high rewards. Notice the ‘AND’ after bots. Like people are pointing out, if it was just bots that were the issue it would be handled differently. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/454 "2020-02-01T16:17:52Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Source: the CCP representative explicitly saying “farming ISK from these sites was too much”. Do you also want a source that 1+1=2? was not explicitly talking about isk. Your source is invalid. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You insulted people, that means you have no argument but insults. Exactly, I answered to the insults by insults, because an insult does not need to be argumented against. This was not an argument to start with. But I gues you don’t know the difference between arguing and insulting… Well you can go fck yourself. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I’m taking ‘minmaxing’ and the reference to numbers to mean unexpectedly high rewards. Notice the ‘AND’ after bots. The rewards were fixed by CCP. I guess you mean, unexpected high completion rate. But what was exactly said is > [@CCP\_Sledgehammer](#): > > I did not anticipate the subsequent snowballing of botting and min-maxing that started to happen over December and January. And there is no notion of isk/h in that quote. Not that you can’t be right, but just because you can understand it this way, does not mean you are right. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Like people are pointing out, if it was just bots that were the issue it would be handled differently. Are you affirming that the isk/h in L4 distribution is also “disproportionate” ? AFAIK only alpha bots were the issue, and that’s the reason why alphas were removed L4s. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/455 "2020-02-01T16:18:31Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Exactly, I answered to the insults by insults, because an insult does not need to be argumented against. > This was not an argument to start with. But I gues you don’t know the difference between arguing and insulting… Well you can go fck yourself. So, by your own rule, all you have is insults and you lose. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/456 "2020-02-01T16:18:57Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So, by your own rule, all you have is insults and you lose. lose what ? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/457 "2020-02-01T16:19:15Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > lose what ? Everything. You have no argument, only insults. Stop posting. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/458 "2020-02-01T16:20:11Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Everything. You have no argument, only insults. Stop posting. So I lose nothing ? Thank you for your stupid post. But you know what, you would just stop posting stupidity and I would stop answering to those. But that would require a brain. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/460 "2020-02-01T16:22:37Z")
Yeah, no brain no pain I see. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > When someone insults you it means that they have no argument and immediately lose, when you insult someone it’s because they deserve it. context. Learn what it means. Look, kid : THAT is a retard cry baby. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/462 "2020-02-01T16:24:25Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Of course, the “context” that you are better than everyone else and get to play by different rules. You sure like to cry a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/463 "2020-02-01T16:25:04Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I am a retard. Also a hypocrite, don’t forget that. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/464 "2020-02-01T16:25:34Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Also a hypocrite, don’t forget that. You sure like to cry a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/465 "2020-02-01T16:26:25Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > AFAIK only alpha bots were the issue, and that’s the reason why alphas were removed L4s. Exactly. The rewards of level 4’s weren’t the problem and weren’t changed. Consumption rate and isk/hour are part of the same thing. Or, what do you think was the problem beyond bots? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/466 "2020-02-01T16:27:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I am a retard. Yes, and you are also a hypocrite. Now please go away, the adults are trying to have a discussion here. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/467 "2020-02-01T16:28:11Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Or, what do you think was the problem beyond bots? I don’t know. But just because I don’t know, does not mean that any explanation is correct. > **[Argument from ignorance](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)** > > An argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), or appeal to ignorance ('ignorance' stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It says something is true because it has not yet been proved false. Or, that something is false if it has not yet been proved true. This is also called a negative proof fallacy. This also includes the (false) assumption there are only two options (true or false). There may be as many as four choices: > Appeals to ignoran... ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/468 "2020-02-01T16:28:29Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Yes, and you are also a hypocrite. Now please go away, the adults are trying to have a discussion here. You sure like to cry a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/469 "2020-02-01T16:31:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I am a retard. We get it, and you’re also a hypocrite. Stop spamming us about it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/470 "2020-02-01T16:31:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > But just because I don’t know, does not mean that any explanation is correct. Could be said about anything. You’re just sticking your head in the sand now… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/471 "2020-02-01T16:32:53Z")
Also: _“The numbers that we started to see in that period became cause for great concern and a decision was made to space out their respawn timer more and tweak the survey database drop rate.”_ CCP: “the numbers were concerning”. CCP: _nerfs reward ISK/hour_. Hypocrite: “LOLOLOL BUT WE DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID IT LOLOLOLOL”. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/472 "2020-02-01T16:35:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You’re just sticking your head in the sand now… That’s called being cautions. It’s the basis of any serious research or reasoning. When you don’t know, you don’t know. Claiming otherwise is stupid, and only makes an idiot of you. That’s why you are spoutting so much BS : you are not used to acknowledge your own ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/473 "2020-02-01T16:39:01Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s called being cautions. It’s the basis of any serious research or reasoning. It’s not caution to deny everything that doesn’t suit your narrative. It’s willful ignorance. I’d be more inclined to believe you were being cautious if you could offer an alternative explanation that makes some sense. If not, I’m going to Occam Razor it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=23)