# Did CCP secretly nerf Emerging Conduit as of today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209 "2020-01-23T11:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nuero\_Faizura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuero_faizura/32/181337_2.png) [@Nuero\_Faizura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuero_Faizura)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/43 "2020-01-23T17:53:06Z")
now at least 17mins xD ---
**Author:** ![Wade\_Deadpool\_Willson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wade_deadpool_willson/32/169216_2.png) [@Wade\_Deadpool\_Willson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wade_Deadpool_Willson)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/44 "2020-01-23T17:53:24Z")
yep with no loot ---
**Author:** ![Nuero\_Faizura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuero_faizura/32/181337_2.png) [@Nuero\_Faizura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuero_Faizura)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/45 "2020-01-23T17:56:05Z")
I was flying some, its still good loot, about 110m/h with 4 chars but its still 50% less than the day before cause the 10 minute waiting time. The loot itself seems to be only slightly affected But i clearly dont want to pay 50€ per month for making only half of the isk than before thats the point ---
**Author:** ![Fonsui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fonsui/32/292570_2.png) [@Fonsui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fonsui)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/46 "2020-01-23T18:35:32Z")
The issue I have with this change is that there’s no explanation as to what the issue was, and why the choice was made to literally lengthen the respawn by at least 1000% (was precisely 60 seconds on the nose previously). This isn’t just a nerf, this looks like it kills the entire profitability of the site altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/47 "2020-01-23T18:37:07Z")
I myself was a dedicated EC runner, I fly a vindicator which can speedrun 9-10 conduits an hour. Newbros in our corp can follow me into the conduits and earn some good isk to kickstart their eve journey. I also used that income to purchase new stations/fuels for the corp and, of course, supplying my omega status. And now, we’re struck back to where we are, either choose mining like a dog in the belts for pocket change, running level 4 missions for a little bit more pocket change, or joining the incursion fleet. Incursions aren’t an common option anymore since current highsec site spawns can’t sustain a large number of players. Conclusion is, we can hardly earn enough to pay our omega, or anything else we were able to afford. The 2 points that pissed me the most. First, instead of trying to resolve bot issues, CCP chose the crude way and destroyed not only bots, but also those who actually spent their time and efforts to earn what they deserve. Another point, I believe being an old news, is WHY IT’S ALL HIGHSEC THAT GETS NERFED?! They simply can’t accept the truth that a large portion of players are not risk seekers, they just want a rather relaxing, low risk environment. Making highsec a barren wasteland does not push players to nullsec, it pushes the players OUT OF THE GAME. Even if we use the isk earned from EC to plex our accounts, we’re still supporting CCP since someone still has to purchase the PLEX to sell them to us. Once again, great work CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/48 "2020-01-23T18:39:53Z")
> [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > I fly a vindicator which can speedrun 9-10 conduits an hour. Did you have full ascendancy set and 66% web ? That was the breaking point for me. (actually just needed IIRC 64% web to be able to one shot the frigs) ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/49 "2020-01-23T18:41:42Z")
> [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Newbros in our corp can follow me into the conduits and earn some good isk to kickstart their eve journey. Regarding the newbros on follow, what is the value of the minerals in an EC site if players follow you in and hang around to mine it? I assume yours have been salvaging and looting, probably not mining, but does anybody know the approx. value? ---
**Author:** ![Fonsui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fonsui/32/292570_2.png) [@Fonsui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fonsui)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/50 "2020-01-23T18:45:30Z")
Emerging Conduits provided a very interesting min/max scenario for me to work on, and I was given a very good challenge to defeat as well - could I do better than the ubiquitous Vindicator that everyone went directly to for this? I found that Golem, properly fit, was able to hit all the beats of this gameplay loop faster than any other hull. 1. It can be fit with enough raw damage and application that it volleys every single enemy in the site save for the Vedmak, which takes three volleys 2. Grapple applies within one tick, and has a two second cycle. Paint applies immediately, and has a five second cycle. Torpedo launchers can be brought down as low as 5.5-ish seconds, and will therefore always have the target properly grappled and painted by the time the cycle comes up. No waiting, no partial-damage hits. 3. Bastion provides immunity from guidance disrupts. Still no waiting, no partial-damage hits. 4. Bastion also allows for sufficient tank with minimal slot usage 5. Remaining room allowed for knocking align down to 6 ticks, and warp up to 5.3 AU/s With this setup, one could achieve hands-down the fastest consistent payout-to-payout times with a single vessel, and despite that build’s extreme cost, still pay it off in a reasonable amount of gameplay time. Now, this is no longer relevant, appropriate, or available. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/51 "2020-01-23T18:45:33Z")
Those ore are worthless regarding isk/m3, but you get megacyte and Zydrine, which normally come from lowsec ores. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/52 "2020-01-23T18:47:36Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Did you have full ascendancy set and 66% web ? I have 2 abyssal webs, both 63% and 15km range, so I can web and kill the vedmak fast. Destroyers and frigates got one shot. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_en_divalone/32/168600_2.png) [@Aiden\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/53 "2020-01-23T18:57:16Z")
> [@Fonsui](#): > > Now, this is no longer relevant, appropriate, or available. You can still try it out in trig invaded systems where roaming fleets are all over the place. But the overpowered leshak can suck your cap dry in a minute, if you have means against that I believe Golem will be much better than vindi. ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/54 "2020-01-23T18:58:27Z")
Where I’m at. Most people went in with dominixes. I saw one dedicated vindi pilot. A handful of snakes and then I, the orca. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/55 "2020-01-23T19:09:23Z")
Decisions like this is why I recently started playing other games. ---
**Author:** ![Elyham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elyham/32/179528_2.png) [@Elyham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elyham)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/56 "2020-01-23T19:10:31Z")
They stated they will be capping the triglavian survey drops to 5 per hour per player. ---
**Author:** ![Fonsui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fonsui/32/292570_2.png) [@Fonsui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fonsui)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/57 "2020-01-23T19:11:12Z")
I would appreciate if you can provide the source for this, please ---
**Author:** ![Fonsui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fonsui/32/292570_2.png) [@Fonsui](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fonsui)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/58 "2020-01-23T19:13:55Z")
That does sound as if it may function with tweaks, but the purpose and viability of this build existed because it was able to max out the Emerging Conduit gameplay loop better than anything else. I do not believe the profitability available now warrants the sort of investment and gank risk this represents. RIP this build/activity, basically. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/59 "2020-01-23T19:18:39Z")
> [@Elyham](#): > > They stated they will be capping the triglavian survey drops to 5 per hour per player Yeah, I’m gonna need a source for this. ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Skilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zero_skilly/32/442858_2.png) [@Zero\_Skilly](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zero_Skilly)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/60 "2020-01-23T19:23:24Z")
good that it happens today, so i save 1,8B for a nice fit ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/61 "2020-01-23T19:29:25Z")
> [@Freyja\_Volsung](#): > > This change doesn’t make any sense to me. > [@Freyja\_Volsung](#): > > From someone who doesn’t get a ton of time to play Emerging Conduits really helped me have a decent income. So imagine what someone could do running them for several hours a day? Or longer… Sounds like a lot of people were exploiting them with alts, not just with bots. The rewards we’re likely incompatible with the risk and needed to be slowed down. ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Skilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zero_skilly/32/442858_2.png) [@Zero\_Skilly](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zero_Skilly)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209/62 "2020-01-23T19:38:46Z")
so that means in your opinion mining in a fleet full of alts is also exploiting? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/did-ccp-secretly-nerf-emerging-conduit-as-of-today/213209.md?page=4)