# Discord killed eve online's new player retention **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 28, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538 "2023-01-28T11:05:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Raioin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_raioin/32/297720_2.png) [@Toxic\_Raioin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Raioin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/22 "2023-01-28T13:29:06Z")
like i said if they are not going to DL discord to be social they are not social in the first place. you could keep a running stream of chat in corp window and i bet this person would never chat back Its like people who play CSGO with no mic. Useless. ---
**Author:** ![NickyYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nickyyo/32/387668_2.png) [@NickyYo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NickyYo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/23 "2023-01-28T13:38:46Z")
Absolute beggars belief this comment. So what you’re saying is… you should not be allowed to experience the full social aspect of eve unless you go ahead and download Discord? Right, well in that case. CCP should have that as a prerequisite to play the game then. Not everyone who wants to play eve uses discord, especially if it’s their first MMO experience, they might not even know what discord is. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/24 "2023-01-28T13:53:56Z")
> [@Toxic\_Raioin](#): > > yall are making somthing a issue when it really isnt one With respect, I don’t think it’s a big issue for me. If I have to download Discord to play with others in EVE then I will do it and resign myself to using an extra program on top of EVE, my pc is powerful enough. Also, it isn’t my thread, I just happened to agree with the idea of an in-game voice chat. I didn’t mean to make anyone think that I am anti-social or not serious about belonging to the game’s community. * * * ~Fifie is a social creature. ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Raioin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_raioin/32/297720_2.png) [@Toxic\_Raioin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Raioin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/25 "2023-01-28T13:54:35Z")
i dont know how many times it needs to be said. Out of game chat is nothing new in the MMORPG genre at large or Eve. Get this through yalls head please. ---
**Author:** ![NickyYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nickyyo/32/387668_2.png) [@NickyYo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NickyYo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/26 "2023-01-28T13:59:08Z")
Again, you’re missing the point. We’re not saying anything is wrong with out of game chat. We’re saying CCP needs to adapt and better support in game chat. Whether that is through creating new APIS for external apps to read and post stuff in corp chat or what ever. It needs looking into because it is affecting new players a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/27 "2023-01-28T14:44:44Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > The devs are _that_ bad? That’s not what I’m saying. The devs just won’t have the time and resources that third party developers have that made these other tools, so whatever voice chat tool they make will be limited and inferior to those other tools. If CCP devs did get as much time and money to create something on par with discord, mumble or teamspeak, that money could better be spent on other parts of the game as we already have discord, mumble and teamspeak to talk to eachother. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/28 "2023-01-28T14:45:55Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > Then CCP needs to put it in their advertising: “This game is only to be played in conjunction with Discord/Mumble/Teamspeak” This is already valid for most games. EVE isn’t unique. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/29 "2023-01-28T14:46:15Z")
> [@NickyYo](#): > > They don’ want to download discord so they cannot experience the full social part of the game That’s nonsense. Of ALL the third party applications discord is not only the most generic amongst all types of games, it’s also the easiest to install and use. The reason why “new players” tell you they “don’t want to install discord” is because they are not new players, they are alts _pretending_ to be new and if they’d join on a discord with their current discord account it would probably give them away. ---
**Author:** ![NickyYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nickyyo/32/387668_2.png) [@NickyYo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NickyYo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/30 "2023-01-28T14:47:55Z")
> he reason why “new players” tell you they “don’t want to install discord” is because they are not new players, they are alts _pretending_ to be new and if they’d join on a discord with their current discord account it would probably give them away. “speculation” Amazing how butt hurt people get for suggesting better integration with in game chats and out of game chats. So much possibilities if you have an open mind. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/31 "2023-01-28T14:49:30Z")
Far more logical and realistic than “new players don’t want to install discord”. It’s quite possibly the second install any gamer will do, right after Steam. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/32 "2023-01-28T14:53:52Z")
> [@NickyYo](#): > > Amazing how butt hurt people get for suggesting better integration with in game chats and out of game chats. …says the guy who started a whole thread upset about Discord. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/33 "2023-01-28T15:27:23Z")
No thanks. I don’t want to hear 12 year old COD kiddies screaming into the mic all day… ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/34 "2023-01-28T15:38:51Z")
@Gerard_Amatin I understand the points made in this thread. Thank you. * * * ~Fifie is downloading and will explore Discord. ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/35 "2023-01-28T15:41:25Z")
one problem w/ in-game comms , if eve crashes , your comms crash . you also have to be logged in , and they don’t work over downtime . 3rd party chat has more options and are more controllable than everyone piled into one chat speaking over each other or causing text to scroll and be unusable . players have decided , and someone’s bright idea isn’t going to change that . ---
**Author:** ![Modus\_Deus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/modus_deus/32/376838_2.png) [@Modus\_Deus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Modus_Deus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/36 "2023-01-28T15:55:40Z")
You might be on to something, as an older player, I found it slightly hard to get to grips with the comms and ergo felt lost. Alas too late for me, however (and hopefully) CCP will take heed of your advice. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/37 "2023-01-28T15:59:26Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > The game needs **Voice Chat**. There used to be EVE Voice. It fell out of use when 3rd party voice apps became in wide use. 3rd party will always have the upside that you _can still talk if you disconnect or experience lag_ which can be crucial information in a fight, so it is not enough for EVE’s voice to be as good as a 3rd party, it would have to be far, far superior, to be used instead. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/38 "2023-01-28T16:17:16Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > 3rd party will always have the upside that you _can still talk if you disconnect or experience lag_ which can be crucial information in a fight, so it is not enough for EVE’s voice to be as good as a 3rd party, it would have to be far, far superior, to be used instead Ooy! I didn’t think about lags and connection issues. That’s a great point. Plus, I could use Discord on my phone and participate even if I’m not home. I’m seeing in-game Voice Chat differently now Thank you Elisabeth. * * * ~Fifie can change her mind. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/39 "2023-01-28T16:34:41Z")
> [@NickyYo](#): > > I’ve noticed this recently, recruiting new players to corps. They don’ want to download discord so they cannot experience the full social part of the game, there is a divide. There’s always that moment in game when you’ve created a female character, and then have to go on voice comms for the first time. For me its never really been a problem ( yes, I am really a guy…96% of the people in Eve are )…but I suspect some either want to keep the immersion or have some foibles over gender or worry what others will think. And I honestly think this explains _some_ aversion to voice comms. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/40 "2023-01-28T18:42:29Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > How would the new players do lvl1 missions in Lowsec or NullSec? It’s not that difficult. > [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > How would the locals of Low or Null differenciate between genuine new players and Who cares? Stop coddling new players. They aren’t infants. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538/41 "2023-01-28T20:29:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s not that difficult Gotcha > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Who cares? Let me guess. No one? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Stop coddling new player I don’t know any yet. When I befriend one I’ll share what I learned and hopefully he’ll share what he’s learned so far and we can compare notes. Might even fleet together and die together. I think that would be so sexy. * * * ~Fifie is always optimistic. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discord-killed-eve-onlines-new-player-retention/393538.md?page=3)