# Discussion about "Into the Abyss" update **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 15, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843 "2018-04-15T12:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/403 "2018-05-06T11:05:45Z")
The goon survey results look legit and plausible. It’s also because at some point, IMO most people just don’t look for more ISK. I had to convince myself to continue after the first 100B, which would fuel my playstyle for a very long time. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/404 "2018-05-06T11:07:10Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > If anything this place is an incubator and only one of several, with both r/EVE and Twitter being stronger and more valued from CCP. And that right there is the problem, CCP places a higher value on other social platforms over their own Official Forums. No wonder this game has a steady decline in players. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/405 "2018-05-06T11:10:27Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Instigating that I wouldn’t be at other times? Don’t be so paranoid. Not everyone comes here to spin stories or believes they can change things by discussing here. You are the one that accused others of being dishonest for egoistical reasons. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > If anything this place is an incubator and only one of several, with both r/EVE and Twitter being stronger and more valued from CCP. Citation needed that CCP values Twitter or Reddit more. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I’m taking the liberty to refer to a recent reddit thread in which someone asked others how much ISK they have. So from that you derive 99%? LOL This is getting pathetic, man. Either you are trolling, badly, or just dont have the education/smarts to understand the issues at stake here. You dishonestly ignored my questions: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why do you want to upset T2 price/stats/availability? > > Why do you want mutated T2 modules intruding on the DED/LP module markets? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you have evidence they will do it before launch of mutaplasmids? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/406 "2018-05-06T11:52:20Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > How about you be honest as well? You said you don’t want T2, but you want Faction to be mutated. Is it because you have invested in Faction or because this is your attempt at playing the meta-game against T2 guys? Neither. I already told you I have no DED/LP stock. I also have no T2 stock except my small backup reserve to replace losses. T2 is the baseline balance for PvP in EVE, both in stats and cost. If you want a bling DED/LP, buy/get one. If you want a super-bling module, or have very specific needs, buy a mutated DED/LP module. PS: Cba to re-read your very late edits to your original post. Make a new one if you have that much to change/add. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/407 "2018-05-06T12:10:16Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And that right there is the problem, CCP places a higher value on other social platforms over their own Official Forums. While I agree with you, it also has to do with the kind of threads we find here. This one is a prime example. On reddit Salvos would have already been banned a hundred times for repeating the same post. It does not happen here and so the Forums are filled to the brim with threads which continue for another 200 - 300 posts after everything has already been discussed ad nauseam. CCP would need serious manpower and they’d absolutely need to enforce very strict posting rules to make these forums even useable for the average player. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You are the one that accused others of being dishonest for egoistical reasons. And I still ask you, why do you want Faction modules included as a Mutaplasmid option? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Citation needed that CCP values Twitter or Reddit more. They don’t read this thread, because they don’t want to read 86(!) of your repetetive comments. Some poor ISD might have to take a look at it. Beyond that, every smart idea or good question in this thread simply vanishes because you can’t manage to stop discussing, if you are out of arguments. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This is getting pathetic, man. > > Either you are trolling, badly, or just dont have the education/smarts to understand the issues at stake here. Hehehe, accidentally made you try to insult me. 🙂 Try again and this time a bit less boring please. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You dishonestly ignored my questions: I even wrote that I am still replying, more for others than for you though. You don’t care for answers, you only care to repeat your opinion in forms of questions over and over again. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Neither. > > I already told you I have no DED/LP stock. > > I also have no T2 stock except my small backup reserve to replace losses. > > T2 is the baseline balance for PvP in EVE, both in stats and cost. > > If you want a bling DED/LP, buy/get one. > > If you want a super-bling module, or have very specific needs, buy a mutated DED/LP module. If you ask others to be honest, don’t you think you should show them the same courtesy? Salvos, really. The way you are sperging in this thread obviously means that you are invested in the thing. Why else torture us with 86 posts? Either you are lying about your personal interest here or you are just the most reactionary guy here on the forums. This game is about to change, with you or without you. There is nothing you can do about it and “it was always like this” is not an argument that can stop progress. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/408 "2018-05-06T12:14:20Z")
@ISD_Buldath Is there any way we can make these Forum threads more readable by limiting the number of posts by players per thread in some way? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/409 "2018-05-06T12:23:21Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > And I still ask you, why do you want Faction modules included as a Mutaplasmid option? Ehm, they are already included. Nobody has said no to that. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > They don’t read this thread, because they don’t want to read 86(!) of your repetetive comments. Reddit is a cesspit of 1 liners and crap content. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I even wrote that I am still replying, more for others than for you though. Thats a lie. Your original post stood until you started editing it when I submitted my response. **You still havent answered any of my questions.** I recommend you go back to Twitter or Reddit, where your kind of crap is accepted without questioning, cos it is not here. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/410 "2018-05-06T12:36:12Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ehm, they are already included. > > Nobody has said no to that. Nobody except you has said no to T2 either. Lol. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You still havent answered any of my questions. Not only have I shown you the courtesy of answering and completely dismantling your false believes over and over again, I did so in a mannerly and precise fashion. You on the other hand fail to present even the most basic clues behind your assumptions. Better yourself, Salvos. It will be good for the Forums and the people around you. Edit: type faster, I can see you are already replying and I can’t wait to read the sperge you’ll come up with this time ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/411 "2018-05-06T12:42:27Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Nobody except you has said no to T2 either. Lol. That is not true. That is a flat out lie, > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I did so in a mannerly and precise fashion. You have not. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > 1. Why do you want to upset T2 price/stats/availability? > > 2. Why do you want mutated T2 modules intruding on the DED/LP module markets? You have not answered the above 2 questions. I numbered them above to make it easier for you. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Better yourself, Salvos. It will be good for the Forums and the people around you. I’m getting better all the time. Ive been doing this for years and thousands upon thousands of posts, and thousands upon thousands of posts elsewhere long before I showed up here and in parallel. How about you, noob? Your 643 posts isnt even a drop in my bucket. We have a saying in Finland. “Älä yritä opettaa isääsi nussimaan” Translated as: “Dont try to teach your father how to f\*\*k” ---
**Author:** ![Xebov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xebov/32/99847_2.png) [@Xebov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xebov)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/412 "2018-05-06T12:54:16Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why do you want to upset T2 price/stats/availability? If T2 items would get a higher demand ppl would simply build more. I hardly see a heavy impact. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why do you want mutated T2 modules intruding on the DED/LP module markets? I dont see how there will be a significant impact. Depending on the item DED can be vastly better than a T2 with bonuses. It will help alot for all the modules that dont have DED/Faction counterparts. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/413 "2018-05-06T12:54:42Z")
I’ll just make this one observation… If most players are really ‘space poor’, then the last thing they should be doing is gambling with mutaplasmids (be it T1, T2, Faction or Deadspace). Statistically the odds are not in your favor to get a lucky roll, so if players are counting on that 1 in a million lottery result they’re going to be sorely disappointed (and broke). There are players (and I do not count myself among these) where bricking 20-30 Faction or Deadspace modules to get a perfect result is a drop in the bucket. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/414 "2018-05-06T13:02:00Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ive been doing this for years and thousands upon thousands of posts, and thousands upon thousands of posts elsewhere long before I showed up here and in parallel. And this is exactly the reason why you should be banned from the Forums. You are trolling on every opportunity and by that you undermine the function of these Forums. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/415 "2018-05-06T13:15:44Z")
> [@Xebov](#): > > If T2 items would get a higher demand ppl would simply build more. I hardly see a heavy impact. You just described the impact, yourself. The problem is not just the impact on T2, its also the impact on DED/LP markets. Do we: A) Want T2 modules sunk off the market/bricked to produce mutated T2 modules? B) Want mutated T2 modules stepping on the DED/LP module market? > [@Xebov](#): > > It will help alot for all the modules that dont have DED/Faction counterparts Such as? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/416 "2018-05-06T13:19:27Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Ive been doing this for years and thousands upon thousands of posts, and thousands upon thousands of posts elsewhere long before I showed up here and in parallel. > > And this is exactly the reason why you should be banned from the Forums. You are trolling on every opportunity and by that you undermine the function of these Forums. Incredible… You really have no limits, do you. To ahead and flag my posts or report me to CCP if you think that is necessary, but until then, you are the one harassing me with posts like this, and Ive already warned you and asked you to desist once. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/417 "2018-05-06T13:20:06Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > its also the impact on DED/LP markets. What is the impact on the DED/LP market? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/418 "2018-05-06T13:23:29Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > its also the impact on DED/LP markets. > > What is the impact on the DED/LP market? Mutated T2 modules detract from the DED/LP module market, by offering an option of bling modules that have been the arena of DED/LP module market. T2 modules can be created on demand, DED/LP modules can only be sourced via effort. A market of mutated T2 modules, stands to depreciate demand on DED/LP module markets, AND inversly increase demand on T2 modules, as they are bricked in effort to create a desired module mutation. T2 stands to benefit. DED/LP only stands to lose. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/419 "2018-05-06T13:25:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Mutated T2 modules detract from the DED/LP module market, by offering an option of bling modules that have been the arena of DED/LP module market. Can you offer a few examples of where creating a MT2 with DED/LP module base stats will be cheaper than buying the DED/LP right away? Thanks. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > T2 modules can be created on demand, DED/LP modules can only be sourced via effort. Mutaplasmids need to be sourced via effort too. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/420 "2018-05-06T13:29:49Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Can you offer a few examples of where creating a MT2 with DED/LP module base stats will be cheaper than buying the DED/LP right away? Thanks. You ignored my questions, again, and yet expect me to answer yours. Dishonest as hell. 1. Why do you want to upset T2 price/stats/availability? 2. Why do you want mutated T2 modules intruding on the DED/LP module markets? > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Mutaplasmids need to be sourced via effort too. As do DED/LP modules, making them the logical modules to apply mutaplasmids to, and making it logical to exclude T2. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/421 "2018-05-06T13:32:56Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Can you offer a few examples of where creating a MT2 with DED/LP module base stats will be cheaper than buying the DED/LP right away? Thanks. I will quote it again for you. You claimed over and over since the beginning of this thread that MT2 will eat into the DED/LP market. Give me and others some examples to understand your argument. Thanks. I already took position on your questions, even though they are not questions, but accusations of me having said things, that I did not. Which of course you know. Lame. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > As do DED/LP modules, making them the logical modules to apply mutaplasmids to, and making it logical to exclude T2. If you think this is logic, I’ll agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/422 "2018-05-06T13:35:43Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I will quote it again for you. You claimed over and over since the beginning of this thread that MT2 will eat into the DED/LP market. Give me and others some examples to understand your argument. Thanks. Given what we know about mutaplasmids as they are now, will you apply them to T1, T2 or DED/LP modules? And why? > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > If you think this is logic, I’ll agree to disagree. It is logical. Far moreso than messing with the T2 market, with intrusion into the DED/LP market. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=22)