# Discussion about "Into the Abyss" update **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 15, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843 "2018-04-15T12:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/464 "2018-05-06T16:32:09Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This from the guy that tried to tell others to ignore me, tried to shut me up via threats of moderation, and insulted me repeatedly. Because you are a troll. You exploit this Forum for spam. You hijack this thread to force your own agenda, while people try to have a fact-based discussion with mutual respect. You come here and take the liberties of this forum to spread your toxic conspiracy theories. r/EVE allows a lot more than the Forums would usually do. But you would have been banned there a hundred times. You are not adding to the discussion. You’re disrupting it. That’s why you should get a gag, if only for a few weeks to learn how to participate in a reasonable way. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I have been consistently ontopic on exactly the update, voicing my concerns on it. > > I disnt “hi-jack” it. These are serious concerns. That’s bs. You have hijacked this thread and make every other discussion about the “Into the Abyss” update impossible, by again and again posting the exact same stuff. You try to enforce your agenda onto everyone. There was a vivid and lively discussion about different aspects of it, before you came along and spammed a freaking 111 posts in this single thread. You have nothing new to add. @ISD_Buldath can you not please step in. That’s 111 posts which say exactly the same thing and force us to spiral about nonsense, that really destroy the purpose of OP’s thread and the Forums altogether. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/465 "2018-05-06T16:35:40Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > You have hijacked this thread and make every other discussion about the “Into the Abyss” update impossible, by again and again posting the exact same stuff. ? > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > You hijack this thread to force your own agenda, while people try to have a fact-based discussion with mutual respect. Remember your 99% statements that you never sourced? I think you either need a walk outside, or return to twitter/reddit where your crap flies… It doesnt, here. Your constant attempts to derail thread and censure me, dont work here. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/466 "2018-05-06T16:36:27Z")
Er, guys…? I’ve totally lost track of what we’re actually talking about anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/467 "2018-05-06T16:38:01Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Er, guys…? I’ve totally lost track of what we’re actually talking about anymore… TLDR: No mutation on T2. T1 mutation leads to automatic success for a T2 result. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/468 "2018-05-06T16:43:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > TLDR: > No mutation on T2. > T1 mutation leads to automatic success for a T2 result. Neither really excites me, to be honest. I think if you want to roll the dice you should be able to use whatever module you want (stupidity be damned). ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/469 "2018-05-06T16:46:33Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I think if you want to roll the dice you should be able to use whatever module you want (stupidity be damned). Stupidity in this case would be allowing T2 modules to be mutated, as they can be produced on demand, and result would infringe on the DED/LP market, and cause T2 sink. All the trolls here know that they will be used on T2, in vast majority, and thats what they want, cos its win-win for them. Less T2 on the market (due to sink) = better T2 prices, and the successful mutations eat into the DED/LP market, at worst as a T2.5, and worst as even better. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/470 "2018-05-06T16:48:31Z")
One could also make the argument that T1 modules can effectively be farmed on demand as well. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/471 "2018-05-06T16:50:20Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > One could also make the argument that T1 modules can effectively be farmed on demand as well. Thats fine. Then receive an automatic success mutation into a T2 module. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/472 "2018-05-06T16:53:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Then receive an automatic success mutation into a T2 module. Lol. You’re a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/473 "2018-05-06T16:55:09Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Then receive an automatic success mutation into a T2 module. > > Lol. You’re a joke. Why? T1-\>T2 on an automatic roll is pretty good. What did you expect from a T1 module? ---
**Author:** ![Xebov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xebov/32/99847_2.png) [@Xebov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xebov)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/474 "2018-05-06T16:55:17Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > All the trolls here know that they will be used on T2, in vast majority, and thats what they want, cos its win-win for them. Less T2 on the market (due to sink) = better T2 prices, and the successful mutations eat into the DED/LP market, at worst as a T2.5, and worst as even better. You are obsessed with this topic, thats the problem. Take a step back and look at the evidence. You did not bring any evidence to support your claim. So far everyone told you that they dont have any evidence pointing to your claim as well. It looks like you are simply fueled by hatred to T2 producers, i dont know why. As long as you dont bring any evidence for your claims i cant take you seriously and i think after all these posts moving in circles everything is said about it. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/475 "2018-05-06T16:55:54Z")
Automatic success mutation for T1 modules would effectively destroy the T2 market for those kind of modules. Also, there are different meta types of T1 modules so you could just take the cheapest one and get a T2 version. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/476 "2018-05-06T16:56:08Z")
> [@Xebov](#): > > As long as you dont bring any evidence for your claims i cant take you seriously and i think after all these posts moving in circles everything is said about it. Then what tier modules do you think mutids will be used on the most? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/477 "2018-05-06T16:56:53Z")
> [@Xebov](#): > > You are obsessed with this topic, thats the problem. Take a step back and look at the evidence. You did not bring any evidence to support your claim. So far everyone told you that they dont have any evidence pointing to your claim as well. It looks like you are simply fueled by hatred to T2 producers, i dont know why. > > As long as you dont bring any evidence for your claims i cant take you seriously and i think after all these posts moving in circles everything is said about it. Well said. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/478 "2018-05-06T16:56:56Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Automatic success mutation for T1 modules would effectively destroy the T2 market for those kind of modules. Also, there are different meta types of T1 modules so you could just take the cheapest one and get a T2 version. Depends on the cost/availability of mutids. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/479 "2018-05-06T16:57:08Z")
Probably T2 because it be the cheapest alternative to upgrading to a Faction equivalent. Of course, this depends on the cost of mutaplasmids. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/480 "2018-05-06T16:58:47Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Probably T2 because it be the cheapest alternative to upgrading to a Faction equivalent. Of course, this depends on the cost of mutaplasmids. Responded on wrong alt. I didnt address you with that question. Nonetheless, yes, probably T2, hence leading to T2 sink (raising prices) and mutated T2 eating into DED/LP module markets. ---
**Author:** ![Xebov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xebov/32/99847_2.png) [@Xebov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xebov)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/481 "2018-05-06T17:02:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Then what tier modules do you think mutids will be used on the most? Strongly dependent on the item group, what ppl need and how cheap or available plasmids will be. There are alot of different factors to put in. The system is a free system so it will be everyone own choice. In order to interfere with the current market on the level you expect you would require extremely high drop rates. Thats why i said there is no evidence for your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/482 "2018-05-06T17:03:16Z")
> [@Xebov](#): > > … Your answer completely refused to address the question. Ill be more specific. For what we know now: Which will mutids be most used on: 1. T1 2. T2 3. DED/LP ---
**Author:** ![Xebov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xebov/32/99847_2.png) [@Xebov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xebov)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/483 "2018-05-06T17:06:20Z")
No it doesnt. I just limit the speculation because there is no hard data to be certain. The only thing that can be surely said by the data available is that your claim cannot be proven. If you think your claim is correct then start gathering data on SiSi or the forums and present some proof. So far you are highly speculative and ignore any points against you. There is no reason to furtehr discuss this with you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=25)