# Discussion about "Into the Abyss" update **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 15, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843 "2018-04-15T12:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/673 "2018-05-11T13:02:14Z")
Most definitely dead The trig frigs go 3km/s and some have scrams or webs ---
**Author:** ![Aknan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aknan/32/27183_2.png) [@Aknan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aknan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/674 "2018-05-11T13:03:05Z")
i saw some video of this and it’s look legit ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/675 "2018-05-11T13:03:56Z")
It was before trigs were added and only against drone swarms no battleships A drone bs can do over2500 wrecking on a tanked hac what it’ll do to you? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/676 "2018-05-11T13:05:08Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Why people don’t like you has to do with you spamming and generally making low effort posts, Id love to see stats on posts, especially regarding average post length in characters. Im certainly in the top 5, especially if including the old boards. You calling me “low effort” is just hilarious. Admittedly, I write less essays, because Ive gotten better at boiling it down. People dont read essays, except to belligerently cherry pick parts out of context. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Cooperation/Collaboration will and should yield an advantage over the solo player. This is still absolutely true and Abyssal Deadspace won’t change a thing about that. You cant cooperate/collaborate with anyone in the Trig pockets. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/677 "2018-05-11T13:09:16Z")
Ow can you or anyone give me a short number of npcs roughly for tier4?I’ve only done 5s and don’t know if spawns like the triglavians are smaller there In tier5 I’ve encountered as many as 5-6 vedmak but I think some tuning was done to the overall dps combined on the spawn since I haven’t found a 6 vedmak spawn in ages Right now it’s less vedmak more frigs more vedmak less frigs as far as neuts it’s kind of random ---
**Author:** ![Aknan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aknan/32/27183_2.png) [@Aknan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aknan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/678 "2018-05-11T13:20:21Z")
there is betw 3-4 ved and same for freg i got the feeling, with warp scamble/ webs / neut / distrupt. it’s look possible to do a ship with arround 3000 m/s and poleruzied cap stable i will give it a try one of thoses days. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/679 "2018-05-11T13:26:02Z")
Alright then I guess no goofing around with subpar fits for tier4.Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Aknan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aknan/32/27183_2.png) [@Aknan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aknan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/680 "2018-05-11T13:47:50Z")
and some times you got web and neut and, and distrupt cuiser orbit at 13km let them diffucult to catch with a web, so if you using drone only light can catch them. unless you get more than 1800 webed ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/681 "2018-05-11T13:58:09Z")
I know what they do and how they react and cruisers orbit is actually 17km frigs is about 8 ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/682 "2018-05-11T14:06:40Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > There is another way a better way I droped tds altogether Ahh come on sharing is caring! ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/683 "2018-05-11T14:55:21Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > p.s. I’m not against implementing mechanics in which it will be possible to follow the krab into the pocket, if you are also in a cruiser. would be fun I really hope this is the road they are planning to take. Outside of the Mutaplasmids, this thing provides a way for CCP to offer gudfites for those who look for them, Trig-space are one of the best avenues to provide Ship Amount Control. Time will tell what they do with it, but it would be wasted potential if we could not use that thing to set up fights. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/684 "2018-05-11T19:15:00Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Instanced space should NEVER EVER become a part of EvE. Tell that to the players in Jita that never undock. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/685 "2018-05-11T19:28:29Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Tell that to the players in Jita that never undock. Blew my mind! ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/686 "2018-05-11T20:37:54Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Blew my mind! Guess it doesn’t take much. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/687 "2018-05-11T21:28:05Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Guess it doesn’t take much. I’m an EVE player, I think it says all there is to say. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/688 "2018-05-13T00:09:37Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Bollocks. The remaining number of early players is too small to care about. If you want a quciky … go play mario carts. Get away from my EvE! If I wanna quickie mario brothers is not what I go for … Hmm, when I say older players, I no longer mean those that strated in 2003 / 2004. I mean in general, those that have been around for a long while, experienced different aspects of the game, had a chance to live in different regions etc. I should have clarified that. Also those of us that have switched mains for all practical purposses. Our other toons are now alts, often times no longer logged on regular basis, while our HS toons have become our mains (I fit into this category). I also see the dude in the otehr reply got seriously butthurt 😆 which is awesome. It seems he got the point though. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Cat\_Meows](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/my_cat_meows/32/146661_2.png) [@My\_Cat\_Meows](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/My_Cat_Meows)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/689 "2018-05-13T01:08:07Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > No local, no sig can be compensated by throwing probes in every system, but not knowing whether you can actually fight the target will kill the hunting profession and make it perfectly safe for runners. Probably the best remark in the last 100 posts. Making exceptions for tier 1 - 3 was a mistake since it makes all tier sites way more secure to run as explained by it. → Loot value generated by time investment (grinding) instead of loss risks. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/690 "2018-05-13T03:27:56Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > p.s. I’m not against implementing mechanics in which it will be possible to follow the krab into the pocket, if you are also in a cruiser. would be fun. I designed a way to do it here. It’s a bit clunky but anything is better than the glorified gatecamping they have in mind. > [@The Trigs are coming!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-trigs-are-coming/69296/269): > > I thought of a better PvP solution. It’s convoluted but gameplay is more important than dumb mechanics. Heck, we live in a world where no-one’s invented a way to warp without aligning, or to align faster than a few seconds. Bear in mind that we’re comparing this to sitting at a beacon in K-space for 20 mins – which is the same lame gatecamping we should be removing from Eve. So, first thing – the beacon will need to be hacked. This alerts the explorer. They get 20s or so to prepare. The e… ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/691 "2018-05-13T11:29:22Z")
I like it. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/692 "2018-05-13T12:37:01Z")
The droprate of Mutaplasmids on SiSi right now is so low, that these items will bring no change to any demand of any module group. Opportunity cost of Mutaplasmids will be much higher than for modules. The price for a desireable Mutaplasmid will be extremely high, the price for enough of them to somewhat consistently create a good-ish module, will be insane. If the droprate stays low as it is on SiSi, the entire thing will become a niche the size of the Officer module market. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=34)