# Discussion about "Into the Abyss" update **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 15, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843 "2018-04-15T12:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/864 "2018-05-16T15:58:20Z")
> [@Loreline\_Farcloud](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Stands to reason L5 will be in highest demand, as a pocket with the best rewards. > > No, as T5 (chaotic) filaments have the lowest survival rate and highest risk to reward ratio. much more likely is that T3 (fierce) filaments or possibly t4 will be in highest demand due to a more favourable ratio False. If what you say is true, then CCP should simply remove the L5 pockets. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/865 "2018-05-16T15:58:25Z")
Btw. I reported Salvos for his insulting post as “inappropriate” and each of his posts in which he says the exact same thing as “spam”, as he clearly tries to have the last word without taking part in the discussion. Happy if more people could help clean up this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/866 "2018-05-16T15:59:04Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > In turn I came to the following conclusions: > > A model in which filament droprates are higher for lower Tier sites. Filament Droprate T1\>T2\>T3\>T4\>T5 > In combination with a tier-dropchance like we currently have it on SiSi (highest chance to find filament of same level, lower chances to find lower/higher tier filament) > With a loottable that clearly distincts each Tier from the others, with T5 \> T4 \> T3 \> T2 \> T1 > A droprate for T1 and T2 being \> 1, T3 close to or equal 1 and T4,T5 being slightly lower than 1. That is very well thought through and reasoned. I agree. and that probably is how CCP have set it up. Although given t1 are also sourced in data sites that might be reflected in a slightly lower filament drop rate. (as seen in SISI) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/867 "2018-05-16T15:59:39Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Btw. I reported Salvos for his insulting post as “inappropriate” and each of his posts in which he says the exact same thing as “spam”, as he clearly tries to have the last word without taking part in the discussion. > > Happy if more people could help clean up this mess. Then you have violated the flagging rules, as there is nothing inappropriate, or even remotely insulting in my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/868 "2018-05-16T16:00:14Z")
Based upon what reasoning…? Some people will still want to run t5 filaments. just not everyone. and thereby their lower risk/reward ratio than t3/t4 filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/869 "2018-05-16T16:01:09Z")
> [@Loreline\_Farcloud](#): > > Some people will still want to run t5 filaments. just not everyone. and thereby their lower risk/reward ratio than t3/t4 filaments. L5 will have the best rewards, thus demand is guaranteed, ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/870 "2018-05-16T16:01:20Z")
> [@Loreline\_Farcloud](#): > > No, as T5 (chaotic) filaments have the lowest survival rate and highest risk to reward ratio. much more likely is that T3 (fierce) filaments or possibly t4 will be in highest demand due to a more favourable ratio It depends on a lot of factors, mostly on the precise loot distribution. As it stands now, I’d say you are totally right. We need to keep an eye on all the factors. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/871 "2018-05-16T16:02:25Z")
There absolutely is, whether you are willing to see it or not. [https://forums.eveonline.com/guidelines](https://forums.eveonline.com/guidelines) and i quote: " Please avoid: Name-calling. Ad hominem attacks. Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content. Knee-jerk contradiction." ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/872 "2018-05-16T16:03:40Z")
There is no reason why a single L1 filament should lead to multiple filaments as one progresses along the chain. All that is needed, is one filament per pocket, to access the next pocket level. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/873 "2018-05-16T16:04:17Z")
> [@Loreline\_Farcloud](#): > > There absolutely is, whether you are willing to see it or not. > > [FAQ - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/guidelines) > > and i quote: > > " Please avoid: > > Name-calling. > Ad hominem attacks. > Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content. > Knee-jerk contradiction." Show where I have done any of those. I already survived two purges, whereas your “friends” got their posts wiped. If you have issue with my posts, flag them and report to CCP, instead of spamming this thread with your misguided personal grievances. But remember, false flagging is a forum transgression. I know where the lines are drawn. Ive been posting on the internet, and more, than you can possibly imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/874 "2018-05-16T16:09:16Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You wasted your time. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Poor guy, and poor us when his wall of text/crap arrives… > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Where the fk did you come from all of a sudden? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > take that walk. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Take a walk. To quote just a few incidences of you being rude, and violating the guidelines statement : “You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people” ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/875 "2018-05-16T16:09:45Z")
@ISD_Buldath would you mind going through the last 200-300 posts in this thread and take a look at @Salvos_Rhoska and delete those of his posts where he breaks the rule about “knee-jerk contradiction”, by repeating himself over and over again, saying the \_exact\_same thing, with no new arguments, just to have the last word? Thanks, appreciated. (Also, if you have the time to do that, please delete this post as well afterwards) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/876 "2018-05-16T16:10:56Z")
Yeah, you wont get any leverage on those, especially considering what they said before those responses. Report me to CCP if you wish, but stop spamming the thread with offtopic, please. Especially since you have still refused to answer: **Whats wrong with each pocket dropping only one filament to the next level pocket?** ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/877 "2018-05-16T16:11:47Z")
You are the one here spamming the thread with offtopic, trolling people. Complaining about your toxic behaviour is completely on-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/878 "2018-05-16T16:12:53Z")
This is a direct quote from the Guidelines. And as show above, you are being very uncivil @Salvos_Rhoska Always Be Civil Nothing sabotages a healthy conversation like rudeness: Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech. Keep it clean. Don’t post anything obscene or sexually explicit. Respect each other. Don’t harass or grief anyone, impersonate people, or expose their private information. Respect our forum. Don’t post spam or otherwise vandalize the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/879 "2018-05-16T16:13:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Whats wrong with each pocket dropping only one filament to the next level pocket? this has been explained by a number of people including myself a number of times. If you truly wish to have an answer you only need scroll up and read other peoples posts. Otherwise, you are just trolling by restating a question you are unwilling to read answers to. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/880 "2018-05-16T16:14:11Z")
You are trying to wreck/derail the thread. The question still stands: **Whats wrong with each pocket dropping only one filament to the next level pocket?** ---
**Author:** ![Loreline\_Farcloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreline_farcloud/32/69487_2.png) [@Loreline\_Farcloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreline_Farcloud)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/881 "2018-05-16T16:15:08Z")
No I’m not. im doing only 2 things. Answering reasonable questions set by people, including your own. and calling out your trolling and rudeness. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/882 "2018-05-16T16:15:14Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Whats wrong with each pocket dropping only one filament to the next level pocket? Spamming the same question after it has been answered. Reported. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843/883 "2018-05-16T16:15:43Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Whats wrong with each pocket dropping only one filament to the next level pocket? > > Spamming the same question after it has been answered. Reported. It has not been answered. It has been avoided and evaded. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-about-into-the-abyss-update/69843.md?page=43)