# \[Discussion\] Community Safety in EVE Online **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [July 21, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833 "2022-07-21T15:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/149 "2022-07-21T20:20:35Z")
> [@Athena\_Arritos](#): > > There’s a reason why this game has only 2-4% female players, and it’s because of harassment, doxxing, and threats. Complaining about rampant false accusations is pretty ridiculous and also tone deaf, especially given that false reporting in every other real life sphere is absurdly low. > > If you want the PCU to stop tanking, not taking offense when CCP puts some effort into making sure everyone who isn’t a straight white man doesn’t have to make a safety plan to attend an EVE event is a great start I was talking about the false allegation Phantomite made about me in this thread. Perhaps you should have asked me what I was referring to if it wasn’t clear, before assuming what I was talking about and bringing my gender, race and sexual orientation into the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Mordu\_Tsutola](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordu_tsutola/32/328815_2.png) [@Mordu\_Tsutola](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordu_Tsutola)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/151 "2022-07-21T20:21:38Z")
Eve play has long included “meta-gaming”, which includes “my group is far better than your group”, which is about as far as most players with this mentality spend brainpower on it. “They aren’t part of my Alliance/Corp, meh!” and out comes the ‘metagaming’ ‘propaganda’. ---
**Author:** ![Mordu\_Tsutola](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordu_tsutola/32/328815_2.png) [@Mordu\_Tsutola](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordu_Tsutola)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/152 "2022-07-21T20:22:49Z")
Taking action on information from people who out intolerable behavior is a very far cry from “incentivising snitching”. EDIT: forgot two words there. ---
**Author:** ![Satas\_Kado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/satas_kado/32/321814_2.png) [@Satas\_Kado](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Satas_Kado)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/153 "2022-07-21T20:24:16Z")
Best to keep your race, gender, etc. to yourself if you don’t want people referencing them. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/154 "2022-07-21T20:24:30Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I believe this is what you’re wanting. A) You clearly have no idea just how much modern technology _far_ exceeds Orwell’s vision of a surveillance state. B) So now expecting the proprietors of a _private_ community to protect the interests of members of that community so that they can make more money off of them is ‘Big Brother’? I reiterate, FFS, never ‘like’ any of my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Ant4r3s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ant4r3s/32/368736_2.png) [@Ant4r3s](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ant4r3s)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/155 "2022-07-21T20:25:50Z")
> [@Mordu\_Tsutola](#): > > Taking action on people who out intolerable behavior is a very far cry from “incentivising snitching”. Not really. Getting someone banned with a doctored screenshot at the right time could be an invaluable strategic Asset, say reinforce timers, or supply operations, cutting off alliances/corps by having those with funds access blocked. Sounds like a big incentive to me. And yes, I’d hat her have a dozen actual psychopaths in game than a single one unjustly banned ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/156 "2022-07-21T20:26:06Z")
It might be needed thou, but then logs can be adjusted too. Video evidence is on the verge of not being acceptable in court room’s anymore luckily the amount of people that are that good are few and far between but AI is filling that gap quick. Soon what the hell type of evidence will we even be able to believe if not run by some omni off network surveillance system lets call it Sibyl lol. ---
**Author:** ![Osaka\_Takawaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/osaka_takawaki/32/410307_2.png) [@Osaka\_Takawaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Osaka_Takawaki)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/157 "2022-07-21T20:28:05Z")
Oh boy. I’ve seen how this has completely failed in other online communities. Of course there are going to be harassment in large online community. And people who purposefully, tirelessly and continuously harass an individual obviously should be banned. However, here’s my issue. When admin starts talking about buzzwords such as “hate speech”, which can mean anything, it’s very easily that things get out of hand. Suddenly the goalpost changes and what was NOT considered hate speech one day can be considered so the next. It’s going to be an increasingly narrow path for discussion and free speech. One example is that some people believe it’s harassment to claim there’s only two genders. Others feel it’s hate speech to be pro-life or hold any conservative opinion. So my tip to CCP is to stop all the buzzwords and have a simple stance against individual harassment cases. ---
**Author:** ![Ant4r3s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ant4r3s/32/368736_2.png) [@Ant4r3s](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ant4r3s)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/158 "2022-07-21T20:28:05Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > O its getting absolutely rediculas, video evidence is on the verge of not being acceptable in court room’s anymore luckily the amount of people that are that good are few and far between but AI is filling that gap quick. These days a fifth grader has knowledge and access to deep fake technology, so i wonder why that would be.the context is always relevant too,+refraining from giving the example here) ---
**Author:** ![Mordu\_Tsutola](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordu_tsutola/32/328815_2.png) [@Mordu\_Tsutola](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordu_Tsutola)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/159 "2022-07-21T20:28:09Z")
The difference here is that many of these “incidents” are public. It is not “one person” that sees or reports the behavior. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/160 "2022-07-21T20:28:32Z")
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/164 "2022-07-21T20:30:40Z")
> [@Mordu\_Tsutola](#): > > Eve play has long included “meta-gaming”, which includes “my group is far better than your group”, which is about as far as most players with this mentality spend brainpower on it. Metagaming is when a person uses information they have obtained via out-of-character channels to gain an advantage during a RP situation. > [@Mordu\_Tsutola](#): > > “They aren’t part of my Alliance/Corp, meh!” and out comes the ‘metagaming’ ‘propaganda’. Tribalism is behaviour which is more normative for Humans than considering themselves to be a part of the same species. That said, in my country, insulting people is a punishable offence, and if the same held true for the EVE ToS, and it was actively enforced, we would either have fewer players throwing insults around, or simply fewer players altogether if they did not. I think that would be a hard pill for people from certain countries to swallow, though, as some people feel entitled to being able to ■■■■ talk people. The main thing is that enforcing civil dialogue would both be a lot of work for CCP and risks losing them paying customers. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/166 "2022-07-21T20:34:29Z")
> [@Osaka\_Takawaki](#): > > However, here’s my issue. When admin starts talking about buzzwords such as “hate speech”, the worst buzzword i saw here is SAFE i tremble wen some pseudo authority claim that they will make the “community” (hey here is other) safe to be fair this tread had even “mansplain” one more and its BINGO ---
**Author:** ![Ant4r3s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ant4r3s/32/368736_2.png) [@Ant4r3s](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ant4r3s)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/169 "2022-07-21T20:36:14Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > to be fair this tread had even “mansplain” > one more and its BINGO How about how i should apologize to women in my life for my views?(which btw, to that commie women, i did to both, and both replied cut the bs) ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/171 "2022-07-21T20:37:06Z")
Reinbursement 😛 there is your 3rd word. I’m sure someone has already used it. Eve will never be safe couzy fluffy type of game but we can draw a line so that people know not to cross it. ---
**Author:** ![Satas\_Kado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/satas_kado/32/321814_2.png) [@Satas\_Kado](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Satas_Kado)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/172 "2022-07-21T20:38:12Z")
I’m not sure that Eve Online can be made into the “safe space” some appear to want. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/173 "2022-07-21T20:38:46Z")
Never apologize for anything. If you’re an a-hole, you’re an a-hole. Own it. It’s worked out pretty well for me so far… ---
**Author:** ![Vegito99](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vegito99/32/328868_2.png) [@Vegito99](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vegito99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/175 "2022-07-21T20:42:35Z")
How am I not safe at home on my own computer? I want CCP to make and run a game!, not get political. As usual the crybullies who want to ruin society give their list of rules. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/176 "2022-07-21T20:43:16Z")
When you get dox’ed let me know if you feel the same way. I’m all up for banter or some dumb ass being a lil toxic but bringing in rl ■■■■ ruins peoples lives. ---
**Author:** ![Afezan\_Shardani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/afezan_shardani/32/502137_2.png) [@Afezan\_Shardani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Afezan_Shardani)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/182 "2022-07-21T20:54:10Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > Capsuleers, > At CCP Games, we are committed to maintaining a friendly and inclusive community that celebrates diversity and welcomes players of all backgrounds, religions, beliefs, sexual orientations, and other characteristics that make them unique. > > As discussed in our [Addressing Community Safety announcement](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/addressing-community-safety), in the past week, we have been made aware of actions and allegations which are completely unacceptable. > > CCP are the stewards of the community, but this space has been shaped and maintained by players for over two decades; enacting new policies for protecting the community are decisions that we want to take together with you. To that end, we’re opening the floor for civil discussion - open to ideas big or small - as to how our EVE Online should be protected going forward. > > Smart and equitable solutions for issues like this are challenging - but together, we can navigate through and ensure that EVE has the blueprint in place for a safer future for you and your spacefriends. You knew about this ■■■■ for a decade. Noone cares what y’all want now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833.md?page=7)