# \[Discussion\] Community Safety in EVE Online **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [July 21, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833 "2022-07-21T15:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/280 "2022-07-21T22:47:48Z")
The game its self uses slavery and racism as part of the storyline. I did a few amarr missions to try to fix reputation and every single one of them was about gathering slaves or killing slaves for having the audacity to escape. I abandoned ever doing missions for them again because of that. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/281 "2022-07-21T22:48:58Z")
Why? It’s a game and part of the storyline. If you can’t separate a game’s history and storyline from real world events, then you probably shouldn’t be playing video games… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/282 "2022-07-21T22:49:17Z")
🤣 Good for you! Cut off your nose to spite your face. Are RPing by any chance? That would make more sense. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/283 "2022-07-21T22:52:52Z")
Just like I kill hookers and homeless people in GTA and throw their bodies in a lake. Do I do that in real life? No. Because I can separate fantasy from reality. And if you don’t want those slaves, I’ll take them. I have quite the collection… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/284 "2022-07-21T22:56:40Z")
That’s a valid choice. That said, you should be aware… there are _no_ good guys in New Eden. The Fed runs black sites and POW camps, the State’s complicit in a number of atrocities over the years, the Empire goes way beyond just slavery (‘breeding facilities’ don’t involve _consent_), and the Republic unabashedly supports terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/286 "2022-07-21T23:05:20Z")
All Hail the Triglavians. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/288 "2022-07-21T23:12:26Z")
Read the thread title, read the OP, read about a dozen replies… Then I realized this is pointless… However I will say good luck with whatever you’re trying to accomplish… o7 DMC EDIT: Pertaining to this topic, a good start would be to lighten up on the heavy handed moderation / removal of replies that stray a bit off-topic… ---
**Author:** ![Sine123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sine123/32/329782_2.png) [@Sine123](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sine123)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/292 "2022-07-21T23:33:51Z")
Eve’s player base is a reflection of western society. However, twisted. Too many normal players have left Eve. Now the percentage of psychopaths in Eve is very high. You can’t expect anything else. Those who present themselves too openly are always in danger of being approached. Some also provoke on purpose. What does your gender or sexual preferences have to do with the game? Who cares what skin color you have? Why do you trumpet your political convictions? Everyone should ask themselves: how much do I reveal about my real life. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/293 "2022-07-21T23:40:27Z")
It’s usually millennials and Gen Z that are obsessed with everyone knowing every detail of their life. For example, if I want to know what you had for dinner, I’ll just look at your Instagram, while also noticing that you left a window open and you have a rather nice set of AV gear in the living room… ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/296 "2022-07-21T23:51:13Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > False allegations need to be dealt with as well, especially if they’re malicious, like these are. Then you explain that dispassionately and thoroughly when you make a public statement. You don’t know who is reading it for the first time like I certainly was. Treating a matter seriously and equitably requires a high level of professionalism which your original three word response lacked. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/297 "2022-07-21T23:54:15Z")
> [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > Then you explain that dispassionately and thoroughly when you make a public statement. You don’t know who is reading it for the first time like I certainly was. Treating a matter seriously and equitably requires a high level of professionalism which your original three word response lacked. This runs contrary to pretty much every advice I’ve ever given or received - and I ignored it when I was banned and my “explanation” was mocked and derided into the ground - when it comes to public allegations of wrongdoing. If you’re explaining, you’ve already lost. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/300 "2022-07-21T23:59:45Z")
> [@Sine123](#): > > psychopaths its a trope nowadays to call eve players psychopaths i will tell you why this is probably untrue psychopaths like to be among innocent and gullible people they don’t like to be with other psychopaths why? because they like to prey on people not being preyed on also psychopaths have a superficial charm because they mimic normal people eve have 20 years psychopaths don’t like to stay on the same place for a long time because on further scrutiny people can go beyond their normal facade and identify then as psychopaths my diagnosis is that most EVE players are common decent people and are mistaken to be psychopaths because of the edgelord nature of the game trust me im an expert ja ja ![american-psycho-christian-bale](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/5/7f500c8c272aae52a8bb9542322c829ba16aab52.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/304 "2022-07-22T00:12:00Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > This runs contrary to pretty much every advice I’ve ever given or received - and I ignored it when I was banned and my “explanation” was mocked and derided into the ground - when it comes to public allegations of wrongdoing. If you’re explaining, you’ve already lost. Then you have been poorly advised. You haven’t already lost if you are “explaining” in public. You’ve already lost if you appear hostile and unprofessional. In any disagreement the party displaying the least passion in addition to the greatest clarity and candor wins. Present discussion included. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/305 "2022-07-22T00:16:14Z")
> [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > Then you have been poorly advised. > > You haven’t already lost if you are “explaining” in public. You’ve already lost if you appear hostile and unprofessional. In any disagreement the party displaying the least passion in addition to the greatest clarity and candor wins. > > Present discussion included. I’ve gotten my advice from fellow attorneys, crisis communications professionals, and others in public affairs. Feel free to let me know where your expertise comes from, so I can compare it with those I trust who have provided me with opinions contrary to this. A brief, concise denial is almost always a better response than a long, drawn out explanation, regardless of how dispassionate it is. In fact, the more dispassionate, the more likely you’ll be accused of having no empathy or compassion for your accuser, which, oddly enough, folks expect. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/306 "2022-07-22T00:21:25Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > They used to not be that way. As it is now, all boosters and skins are instantly applied. I’ve still got several expired boosters from before that was the case. If only paid accounts received them, it wouldn’t be enough of an issue to impact the market. The daily login campaign (CCP calls these the ‘evergreen’ campaigns) rewards have always been account locked. The special reward campaigns were not, and every time they gave out something that was marketable, the market for that item tanked, and the folks who sold those items complained. That’s why the ended up developing boosters, like pyro and others, that were drops and that they could give away and didn’t compete with drugs that were manufactured. As for it not being enough of an issue, it was always an issue - you can see on the MER when they handed out a tracked commodity and the hit it took. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > Having said that, that is far from the only issue with Alpha accounts. And as far as login or event rewards go, not all of them are account bound or instantly applied. I’ve got like 20 Praxis sitting in a hangar from yearly event rewards that I can sell any time I want. So why only do that for skins and boosters? If they insist on making them apply instantly, at least don’t put an expiration or time limit to claim them. Again, you’re conflating the daily login rewards with the annual rewards for special events like Capsuleer Day or the Harvest and Yule events. The reason why they were able to redo the daily login campaign rewards and give away things that are actually good - boosters you can’t get anywhere else, ship skins you don’t have that have actual value in the game, etc. - is because they’re account bound. If they hadn’t shifted, we’d still be getting useless, crap tier rewards like tier 1 pyro and BPCs. There’s actually plenty of complaints about the free ships that are given out, as they’re better ships than many player crafted ones, they are good at everything and are easy to fit, and they cost nothing so they’re cheap to use and throw away. We hear complaints about this stuff a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Adara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/silver_adara/32/516010_2.png) [@Silver\_Adara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Silver_Adara)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/307 "2022-07-22T00:24:13Z")
I’ve actually filed reports on players harassing me and fellow corp mates before, and seemingly nothing was done about it. One was even over threats of violence IRL. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/308 "2022-07-22T00:25:48Z")
I’d have to read it again, but I’m pretty sure CCP’s policy is that you won’t know how the investigation turned out either way… ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/309 "2022-07-22T00:30:05Z")
My original point was that your avatar has CSM next to it placing a higher duty upon your shoulders than what has been on display. I don’t care to go off in weeds and debate side issues. That you were wrongly accused is a terrible injustice. ---
**Author:** ![Malakai\_Asamov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malakai_asamov/32/358887_2.png) [@Malakai\_Asamov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malakai_Asamov)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/310 "2022-07-22T00:39:07Z")
1. Eve’s age classification is **T for teen, ages 13 and older** , the community needs to be conscious of this and that the members of your in game organisation (that may have a presence “out of game”) has a responsibility to represent the community and game in that light when providing access and content to minors. 2. The lines of in game and out of game are treated like a black and white line by the community when in reality they are a blurred mess. For example presenting your in game groups announcements/commentary/communication/hate/love on a public streaming service should be subject to meeting a respectable standard probably inline with the games classification. 3. Eves partnership program holders should meet the classification rating of the game and utilised as an indication of the standard we want in our community. 4. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. The standard needs to be set before unfortunate events occur, building policy and procedures on how to deal with the consequences of those events is not enough. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-community-safety-in-eve-online/370833/316 "2022-07-22T01:14:10Z")
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