# Discussion Of The Implications Of Niarja's Invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741 "2020-08-17T05:26:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shad0w_vort3x/32/224444_2.png) [@Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shad0w_Vort3x)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/418 "2020-08-18T21:33:59Z")
Good fight mate. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/419 "2020-08-18T21:34:59Z")
> [@Shad0w\_Vort3x](#): > > Techinally pvp is banned in highsec, and if you talk about ganking well its always been in the game and you just have to be careful. I have to disagree with you on making few connections to null. Why would they decrease the connections? Thats just how the map is. Plus most connections are from lowsec. I don’t care how you call it…it deserves to be made impossible by mechanic… Fact is a LOT of pve has left the server,which is not good for the games diversity… ---
**Author:** ![Ilm\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ilm_gaterau/32/443542_2.png) [@Ilm\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ilm_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/420 "2020-08-18T21:35:49Z")
This could still get worse as the two next best routes to Amarr could also be threatened 1. Highsec route though Derelik/Devoid, has 2 stars that could go liminal and block it. 2. The Genesis route has to go though **[Shera](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Genesis/Shera)**, which can also go liminal. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/421 "2020-08-18T21:37:10Z")
> [@Ilm\_Gaterau](#): > > Highsec route though Derelik/Devoid, has 2 stars that could go liminal and block it. If you are referring to Sasta and Jarek, pretty sure Edencom has a lock on those. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/422 "2020-08-18T21:37:20Z")
> [@Ilm\_Gaterau](#): > > This could still get worse as the two next best routes to Amarr could also be threatened > > 1. Highsec route though Derelik/Devoid, has 2 stars that could go liminal and block it. > 2. The Genesis route has to go though **[Shera](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Genesis/Shera)** , which can also go liminal. Crap like this shouldn’t happen at all…this is not eve anymore this is a caricature of the old eve… ---
**Author:** ![Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shad0w_vort3x/32/224444_2.png) [@Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shad0w_Vort3x)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/423 "2020-08-18T21:37:54Z")
It already happened so theres not much you can do about it now. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/424 "2020-08-18T21:39:44Z")
Surely i can do something…it’s called not playing…and not paying… ---
**Author:** ![Ilm\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ilm_gaterau/32/443542_2.png) [@Ilm\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ilm_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/425 "2020-08-18T21:40:29Z")
Nope, **[Shera](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Genesis/Shera)** and **[Ohide](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Devoid/Ohide)**, and to a lesser extent **[Bagodan](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Domain/Bagodan)** ---
**Author:** ![Branigan\_Zapp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/branigan_zapp/32/224474_2.png) [@Branigan\_Zapp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Branigan_Zapp)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/426 "2020-08-18T21:40:32Z")
this is very controversial game content. Dont uunderstand why need make HS to LS\NS, someone is missing the current ? and this frendly npc… npc wich fight another npc… Were gme go? Game play in this game byself? alot question about this content. Game has alot things wich cant be changed, one of them that HS is HS,alot of ppl jump to Niarja, all of them expect HS, alot of them do it by years. Its like reverse L\R mouse button in next win patch This triglav invasion is ■■■■■■■■… this content is forced upon us. ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/427 "2020-08-18T21:40:37Z")
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**Author:** ![Chencherra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chencherra/32/208082_2.png) [@Chencherra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chencherra)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/428 "2020-08-18T21:42:41Z")
Maybe you want to try some idle clicker games instead, if active playing is not for you? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/429 "2020-08-18T21:43:15Z")
in low sec we have a thing called faction warfare we flip systens for amarr and minmatar etc … but wen a system is flipped it can be re flipped by the opposite forces no npc involved , we sleep , drink water , and don’t need amphetamines to do it i almost like this invasions are a junkier , shittier and skankier version of fw 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/431 "2020-08-18T21:45:03Z")
Trigs will disrupt your routes to low sec too. If you live far away from civilization (Amarr) then you have a bad time one day. Unfortunately Niarja is kind of no go zone to me, so you will have to do everything on your own now. I cant be bothered to do 50 Jumps for some very distant system on the other side of galaxy, in the ship that warps slower than systems are flipped. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/432 "2020-08-18T21:45:27Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > In reality it will be the most heavily camped system in EvE, complete with insta lock tackle. So yes, it will be hard. Not impossible, but very, very difficult. So we’re admitting that carebears are helpless perma-victims and unable (or unwilling) to clear the gatecamp? I mean, we all knew this was true, but it’s nice to see it admitted openly. > [@Nathan\_Rolk](#): > > -L3-4 mission running which was so far _just_ endangered by gankers, becomes now a p.i.t.a. with Trig/Edencom running around trying to kill you, Since you are in ships that are not made for these kind of encounters, often alone. And don’t forget how long it takes to earn the ISK for afford those ships with this career path. WAAAAAAAH MISSION FARMING ISNT A MENIAL TASK ANYMORE I HAVE TO WORK FOR MY ISK. Sounds like things are working as intended. > [@Nathan\_Rolk](#): > > Unlike in life, you can literally create the environment where this is possible: **Give everybody what they want.** No you can’t. The goals of the people who want a menial farming game with no risk and free ISK everywhere are incompatible with those who want a PvP-focused game of warfare and competitive capitalism. The only way you can have this farming game is to create an entirely separate server where they can’t destroy the market. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/433 "2020-08-18T21:46:08Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Trigs will disrupt your routes to low sec too. If you live far away from civilization (Amarr) then you have a bad time one day. im not afraid dear @Nana_Skalski ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/434 "2020-08-18T21:46:34Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Fact is a LOT of pve has left the server,which is not good for the games diversity… Actually it’s excellent. Every time low-tier PvE farmers like you ragequit it means that high-skill PvE players get wealthier and more powerful. Get this through your thick head: PvE players who are good at EVE don’t like you and don’t want your changes. ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/437 "2020-08-18T21:48:27Z")
Quite, but CCP would be well advised now to pause any further major changes. Fine, they have allowed Niarja to go. A lot of the self styled hard men on here preach, " Adapt, etc, etc." I am already adapting, and I will not walk from the game just because Niarja has gone. But here is the thing. A big change like this - and in HS this IS a big change - needs to be done relatively rarely. What will lose me, and players like me, is if we keep on having to adapt at a faster rate than we can spare for playing the game. I do not fly freighters, so it is not the loss of the Jita-Amarr hauling route per se that affects me. But over the last five years I have ended up with half my alts home-based one side of Niarja, the half the other side. I now need to think about shifting some of them to new home systems. That will take time, because I do actually want to play the game, not just run multiple long range ferry trips. If, no sooner have I done this than another key system goes, well I do not subscribe just for the sake of moving house every five minutes. CCP wanted to shake things up? Fine. But any sensible organisation would now pause, take stock, see how things have changed, have they achieved their aim, have they gained or lost players, gained or lost subscriptions, etc, etc. I am not saying no change ever. But use the OODA loop, especially the first O - observe. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/438 "2020-08-18T21:48:32Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Actually it’s excellent. Every time low-tier PvE farmers like you ragequit it means that high-skill PvE players get wealthier and more powerful. Get this through your thick head: PvE players who are good at EVE don’t like you and don’t want your changes. Yep…it’s like i predicted a year ago…the maybe 5k vets will constantly kill themselves in a constant loop and will have their paradise… ---
**Author:** ![Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shad0w_vort3x/32/224444_2.png) [@Shad0w\_Vort3x](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shad0w_Vort3x)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/443 "2020-08-18T21:50:04Z")
That is a very fair point and I agree with you perhaps if it took longer to flip such important systems then it would be better. But I do think your point is very valid. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/445 "2020-08-18T21:50:09Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Yep…it’s like i predicted a year ago…the maybe 5k vets will constantly kill themselves in a constant lop and will have their paradise… And once again you ignore the fact that the people who are hurt most by your proposed changes, the people who have the most hatred and contempt for you, are PvE players. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=21)