# Discussion Of The Implications Of Niarja's Invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741 "2020-08-17T05:26:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/797 "2020-08-19T17:49:44Z")
If you really want to give null the finger do not ever use a player made station. (TTT) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/798 "2020-08-19T17:51:33Z")
im fine bro just suggesting for those that fell bad about niarja invasion ---
**Author:** ![Vixen\_Vix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixen_vix/32/384059_2.png) [@Vixen\_Vix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixen_Vix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/799 "2020-08-19T18:00:20Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The majority of players doesn’t even **know** what Niarja **is**. You mean that they don’t pay attention what system they cross or how strategic the route is/was? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/800 "2020-08-19T18:00:51Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > If you really want to give null the finger do not ever use a player made station. (TTT) I mean yeah, it will cost you a bundle extra in taxes, and no, nobody in null will ever care, or even _know_, that you’ve opted to financially self-immolate as a form of protest, but still, this really is basically like telling all of nullsec that you slept with their moms. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/801 "2020-08-19T18:05:39Z")
> [@Vixen\_Vix](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > The majority of players doesn’t even **know** what Niarja **is**. > > You mean that they don’t pay attention what system they cross or how strategic the route is/was? Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/802 "2020-08-19T18:13:47Z")
> [@Durzel](#): > > I’m not sure small stuff (including pods) getting instalocked by stuff that would normally be blapped by sentries or faction police/Concord - once spawned - counts as “all the important ways”. And yet this happens to trig players in high sec Edencom systems. But to educate you: - High sec resource spawns - High sec moons - No cynos - No capitals through the gates - No warp bubbles - No capital shipyards - No sovreignty and no Supercap shipyards - No flex structures - No bombs List may not be exhaustive. Concord is only one small aspect of high sec systems. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/804 "2020-08-19T19:51:49Z")
# TTT revenue calculation: 2.2 trillion ISK per month Full disclosure: Oz\_Eve did speak to Vily about an earlier estimate I made. He says the real number is a bit lower than this, but this is the calculation I find feasible at the moment. And while I think he is likely telling the truth, he is hardly impartial, so trusting him blindly would be unprofessional. I will keep improving it as I gather more information. Vily also confirmed on TiS that is is smaller. That money is split between the null blocks in the agreement. I think the ones making this isk would really care if it took a hit. But ya, they wouldn’t care if it took a hit…so much so that even with a so called war they still keep this agreement in place. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/805 "2020-08-19T19:53:13Z")
Why be at war if they still trade with each other ? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/806 "2020-08-19T19:54:09Z")
Why play a game of Chess and then go out for drinks together? ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/807 "2020-08-19T19:54:38Z")
Why compare a chess game with war ? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/808 "2020-08-19T19:55:27Z")
You mean compare a game with a game? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/809 "2020-08-19T20:06:35Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > If you really want to give null the finger do not ever use a player made station. (TTT) Snigger. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/810 "2020-08-19T20:45:50Z")
Most of that revenue is from microtrans items that trade at thin margins - thin enough that you can’t really afford to trade them in an NPC station when your competition is using a player hub. That trade isn’t going anywhere (except, potentially, to other player hubs), so nobody is going to give a ■■■■ where you, personally, do your shopping. ---
**Author:** ![Chencherra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chencherra/32/208082_2.png) [@Chencherra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chencherra)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/811 "2020-08-19T21:06:25Z")
Eazy summary of this thread: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/a/1ba38babc41f7e01b0fbfc84f122af2b6da3b800.jpeg "AHHHHH") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLdQ1a4-JI) ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/813 "2020-08-19T21:47:41Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > Blackout…null logged off till removed. Yeah, and alot of ratting stopped. Do you know what happens when the money supply shrinks too much and the [real] economy keeps growing? > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > People affected > Small corps and new players. Will they stick around for 40 jumps…wait and see. My money is on they move closer to Jita. New players won’t care all that much, IMO. People who were doing logistics and moving stuff between markets (i.e. older players) are the ones who will tend to care. Oh and look a guy with character who is 6.67 (2,466 days) years old in game is complaining. > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > Null block line members making isk in hi-sec (with alts) to fund their null activities. Which means they will just have to pve even more in Null to make up for lost isk. Oh yes, that is exactly what happens. It is unlikely this will be the case. If prices have gone up, but ratting payouts have not, then those price increases could be simulated by reducing ratting payouts. This is called an income effect. So, if ratting payouts go down to people engage in more ratting? No. If anything probably less. > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > The ones benefiting the most are the ultra-rich null blocks. (TTT) This will force some of their line members to buy more from them. And the only ones with the isk to create a new market are the same ultra-rich few that run the null blocks. You can’t force people this way. There is little they can do to stop players from finding ways around it. Cripes this is silly. > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > In the end the people at the top see more income. That maybe possible, but it isn’t clear it is going to work exactly like you think. For example, I build T2 stuff and tend to sell it in 1DQ. So it is quite likely _I_ will see an increase in my T2 invention income. Will it offset the increased prices elsewhere? Maybe. But who gets rich and who doesn’t never works out in such neat clean ways you suggest. Further, in many cases it is not even clear that is a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/814 "2020-08-19T21:50:42Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > TTT revenue calculation: 2.2 trillion ISK per month Oh look a doofus reporting revenues but not costs or profits… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Katyusha\_Lisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katyusha_lisa/32/176157_2.png) [@Katyusha\_Lisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katyusha_Lisa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/815 "2020-08-19T21:50:48Z")
In response to those who say well its your problem you should have defended the system. What do you seriously think small hi sec groups can do against null sec alliances that make in an hour what most players make in a year? ![owl-vs-mouse-part-1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/6/2631294bdcc32e27b583caa5118f2b42d7bb2ac1.jpeg) Your blaming the mouse ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/816 "2020-08-19T21:55:08Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > > > TTT revenue calculation: 2.2 trillion ISK per month > > Oh look a doofus reporting revenues but not costs or profits… > > 🤣 Uh oh. Here we go. Teckos will now run amok. Just link to your little thread and don’t go off on one of your economics rampages in this one. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/817 "2020-08-19T21:55:13Z")
> [@Katyusha\_Lisa](#): > > In response to those who say well its your problem you should have defended the system. > What do you seriously think small hi sec groups can do against null sec alliances that make in an hour what most players make in a year? I have known plenty of players in HS who had plenty of ISK. Thing is they just don’t want to do the necessary work to reduce their risk for defending something like Niarja. They were all quite happy to free ride off everyone else’s efforts and since that calculus applies to everyone the effort is very, very low. Now it has bitten them on the posterior. And your picture is wrong. Goons for example didn’t really care about Niarja in terms of HS players, but for other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/818 "2020-08-19T21:56:30Z")
you know what i just passed thought niarja in a capsule going to jita in the good old 10 jumps the camp is waaaaaaaayyy smaller than yesterday wen i lost a ship i see myself getting some kills there in the future its not that bad after all [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=31) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=33)