# Discussion Of The Implications Of Niarja's Invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741 "2020-08-17T05:26:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1046 "2020-08-22T19:46:13Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I pulled out of the Amarr market a couple of months ago so it’s been entirely irrelevnat to me. we need you back lucas ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1048 "2020-08-22T20:31:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 Yeah that’s not gonna happen. 😟😢😭 ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1049 "2020-08-23T01:12:33Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And lazy and stupid PvE farmers don’t have to whine and cry on the forums every time CCP does anything to make it more challenging or interesting. You mean less productive for a given time investment. And why shouldn’t they complain if there are changes that make it less productive? It’s a menial task, making it pay less makes it even more menial. ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1050 "2020-08-23T01:19:03Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Why aren’t you lobbying CCP to make it more interesting and appealing for its own sake, not a masochistic slog that you’re required to do if you want ISK or materials to do the interesting stuff? CCP added high sec invasions to make it “more interesting” by your definition, and now it’s less productive. To make it more interesting and appealing, the yields should be increased, so people don’t have to spend as much time doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1051 "2020-08-23T01:35:17Z")
> [@Skip\_Lorry](#): > > You mean less productive for a given time investment. No, I mean more challenging and interesting. With Niarja gone now you have a choice of dangerous routes that are shorter, if you’re brave enough to use them. Smart and ambitious haulers engage with more interesting content and win, lazy and/or stupid haulers autopilot the long way because they’re terrified of leaving highsec and pay the price in ISK/hour. > CCP added high sec invasions to make it “more interesting” by your definition, and now it’s less productive. Less productive, but more interesting. And the drop in productivity is most significant for the least-competent players. > To make it more interesting and appealing, the yields should be increased, so people don’t have to spend as much time doing it. Nonsense. Making menial content pay better doesn’t make it any less menial or unappealing. And let’s be honest here, farmer trash isn’t going to spend less time farming just because it pays better, it’s going to keep farming because farming is all it is capable of doing. ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1052 "2020-08-23T01:49:58Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, I mean more challenging and interesting. ![kbuturongdoe](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/d/0dd97a2ac252327d1482f9cf7934ea5e495bb22f.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1053 "2020-08-23T02:06:00Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, I mean more challenging and interesting. And then you described how it’s more time consuming, therefore less productive. So, you’re wrong. Industrial cynos should be allowed in high sec. JF in and out of Jita, or wherever. ---
**Author:** ![Roan\_Pico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roan_pico/32/382873_2.png) [@Roan\_Pico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roan_Pico)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1054 "2020-08-23T02:23:24Z")
Foggy functions in three ways: 1. Posters are fake alts 2. Posters post for some weird forum reputation 3. Posters make ■■■■ up Just ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1055 "2020-08-23T03:42:05Z")
I’m just farming likes. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1056 "2020-08-23T04:39:37Z")
> [@Skip\_Lorry](#): > > And then you described how it’s more time consuming, therefore less productive No, I described how it’s more time consuming _for lazy and stupid players_ and more interesting for everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Malcor\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcor_rex/32/221145_2.png) [@Malcor\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcor_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1057 "2020-08-23T04:56:22Z")
Who the ■■■■ are you to decide what is “un-desirable play styles”? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1058 "2020-08-23T04:57:28Z")
> [@Malcor\_Rex](#): > > Who the ■■■■ are you to decide what is “un-desirable play styles” I am God. And I have declared that it is so. Also, I’m a person who understands basic game design and what EVE is supposed to be, and can recognize when a play style contradicts that design concept. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1062 "2020-08-23T09:50:45Z")
> [@Aphrodite\_Sexy](#): > > Quite interesting, like null politics in hs. The thing I like about null politics in null space is that its controlled by players. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1063 "2020-08-23T10:11:46Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This statement is problay the further from truth I’ve ever seen a sentence be. To put this in context, I’ve had conversations with flat earthers. I blocked Merin, without any doubt the worst poster on the forums. * * * People are reporting that the Amarr market is crashing. Not sure what they mean by that. I will go and have a look a bit later, perhaps a lack of stock or people putting at low prices. I was hoping that Amarr would develop as a market in it’s own right, will have to see what happens, it looks like more Caldari space is being lost so that could also change the balance in time. Calling this is difficult, but it is still very early days. 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1064 "2020-08-23T10:29:36Z")
> [@Skip\_Lorry](#): > > It’s a menial task, making it pay less makes it even more menial. No, it doesn’t. Payment has nothing to do with a task being menial or not. It’s all about your perception if it’s _worth_ it. You should read what you write. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/4/f44a8c461620f2a3ad8209976fed69d77545454f.png) You complain about something extremely easy and boring not paying enough. > [@Skip\_Lorry](#): > > and now it’s less productive. CCP slowed down the economy as a whole. That’s not because of invasions, but because scarcity requires a slower economy. We need scarcity, because it promotes conflict _(aka fighting for resources, etc)_, while too much wealth _(as we had it)_ promotes stagnation. Invasions+Scarcity = a more interesting game for those seek satisfaction from accomplishing something actually meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1065 "2020-08-23T10:43:59Z")
Quadrant 3 is named Zenith, so its peak Trig activity time. But I think it’s a Sleeper/Drifter who narrates the vid. So come next Quadrant they sending Trigs back into Abyss. This will address the irreversability of system security flipping. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1066 "2020-08-23T10:50:57Z")
Well if the Trigs are driven out by Sleepers or Drifters, then we’ve only got them to worry about… Out of the frying pan into the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1067 "2020-08-23T12:24:18Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > But you, Merin, take the all time award @Merin_Ryskin Congrats for winning the award! ---
**Author:** ![Ilm\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ilm_gaterau/32/443542_2.png) [@Ilm\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ilm_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1069 "2020-08-23T16:00:08Z")
Just making a little point, we don’t know how this event is going to end. Looking at the trailers for Q2 and 3 it seems to hint at liminal systems becoming gateways, so talk will be redundunt later in the year ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/1070 "2020-08-23T16:00:39Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Invasions+Scarcity = a more interesting game for those seek satisfaction from accomplishing something actually meaningful. But it’s a game, so it can never be actually meaningful. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741.md?page=43)