# Discussion Of The Implications Of Niarja's Invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741 "2020-08-17T05:26:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/123 "2020-08-17T22:56:42Z")
Were not going to have any reliable numbers till late fall/early winter this yr, if even then. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/124 "2020-08-17T22:58:47Z")
Tbh I have more accounts out there earning isk since the invasions. They are gold mines, you know ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/125 "2020-08-17T23:07:08Z")
> [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](#): > > ou do not understand my style of gameplay, or what I want out of Eve. No, I don’t. I genuinely do not understand how you could want to play EVE without engaging in combat PvP, mining, industry, exploration, or any other activity involving other players. It’s like buying a new FPS game, ignoring all of the guns, and spending your entire time walking around an empty server looking at the scenery. > Because I enjoy having a range of alts in a single, solo corporation. Why? Why is it necessary to do this? And why couldn’t you just disband and remake the corporation as soon as it received a war dec, granting 100% immunity to war? You don’t have any right to complain about wars when you ignore the most effective tool for avoiding them. > [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](#): > > What is the cause and effect you are postulating? Highsec needs to have risk and difficulty. Players like you whined and cried until CCP nerfed PvP, so now you get to deal with risk and difficulty in the form of challenging NPCs interrupting your activities. The Triglavians are a direct result of CCP realizing their mistake in going too far in favor of making highsec a menial farming game. > I am not going to walk over Niarja, but others probably will, and that is not good for Eve. Nonsense. It is great for EVE when weak players ragequit at the first sign of adversity. > [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](#): > > If Niarja falls, it will not increase the level of destruction - people will just have to find a new route. Alternatively, people who are not risk-averse perma-victims will continue to use the current route and gain a major advantage over those who insist on never leaving highsec (or ragequit because they aren’t willing to go 40 jumps to do it). ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/126 "2020-08-17T23:08:54Z")
Also when the trigs targered your home system, you have a hell of an incentive to join in. I did. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/127 "2020-08-17T23:11:09Z")
Or the filthy EDENCOM Statists. Depending on your point of view ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/128 "2020-08-17T23:15:45Z")
> [@](#): > > It should not be possible to just stay in highsec forever. CCP keeps trying to get people to try the other parts of space. What CCP doesn’t seem to understand is that a huge number of players would rather make 100 jumps through highsec then risk even one jump into an empty lowsec system. Not sure I agree entirely about the impossibility of staying in high sec - if people are prepared to pay a subscription, let them. I agree with you about CCP’s lack of comprehension about player motivation and risk/reward calculations. I will be honest - when | first started playing, I ventured into low sec as soon as I had the skills and could afford a Vexor just to get a feel. Dead within five minutes. Bought a new Vexor, tried again. Dead just as fast. Dead a third time. I then waited, and bided my time. Eventually got the confidence to go to low sec whenever I felt the need and perceived advantage in so doing. The next big step was to venture into a wormhole, with a manageable level of risk vs reward. But it was when I felt I was ready so to do, not because CCP wanted me to try it - my premature first failures could easily have ended my commitment to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/129 "2020-08-17T23:21:08Z")
I still dont see a push to get folk out that is claimed. Where would these people go anyway? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/130 "2020-08-17T23:25:21Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Where would these people go anyway? To become bots in null… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/131 "2020-08-17T23:27:08Z")
If they would even be allowed in tbh. Its not like they like authority or being told to do stuf. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/132 "2020-08-17T23:28:34Z")
Anyway, it’s nice to see everyone turning out to protect null’s TTT profits like this. I know null and highsec often have their differences, but it’s great that we can come together like this to make sure you guys get to keep kicking it upstairs. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/133 "2020-08-17T23:43:02Z")
The map statistic of ships destroyed in the last 24 hours pretty much sums up EvE with Niarja being the only red spot with 918 ships destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/134 "2020-08-17T23:49:32Z")
At this point, I’m not even sure CCP knows what they are doing anymore. They seem be throwing different colored piles of dog poo at the wall and whichever color sticks, they will run with. Short term thinking at best. On the flip side, at least Fozzie spoke up. That’s always rare and shows they are at least paying attn. Meh… I just don’t like being experimented on. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/135 "2020-08-17T23:51:25Z")
> [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](#): > > Not sure I agree entirely about the impossibility of staying in high sec - if people are prepared to pay a subscription, let them. This assumes that short-term subscription money is the most important goal, even when it comes at the expense of having a high quality game. Down this path leads to complete conversion into a F2P cash shop game where CCP extracts as much money as possible from the whales before the game dies. (And let’s be realistic here, most of these minimal-effort players are using free alpha accounts so their only revenue for CCP is F2P cash shop purchases.) > my premature first failures could easily have ended my commitment to the game. The sort of person who quits at the first sign of failure or adversity is not the kind of customer that CCP wants. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/136 "2020-08-17T23:52:11Z")
I disagree with all the CCP bashing. The trig invasion is a huge success from a game developer perspective. People are highly engaged with this content - and not just for the money. Individual players might not be, but even those players seem to grudgingly admit that what is happening is somehow important (“maybe…for some people…Harumph!”) ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/137 "2020-08-17T23:54:37Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The trig invasion is a huge success from a game developer perspective. Only in a relative sense, compared to the broken state of highsec that preceded it. In reality it’s pretty poor game design. It’s a major step in the direction of theme park design over the sandbox, and it replaces player agency with NPCs. At most we should acknowledge that CCP did a less-bad thing, possibly even the best they could do given their refusal to create engaging PvP content in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/138 "2020-08-17T23:56:55Z")
It is probably crappy content. It is suspiciously anti-Eve. But players are out there participating in it. Compare that to almost any other event CCP has done in recent memory, where nobody bothered to even look at them. I feel that I would lose my ability to badmouth CCP’s other dumb moves if I don’t give them proper credit for achieving what they set out to achieve with the Trig boondoggle. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/139 "2020-08-17T23:57:05Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The sort of person who quits at the first sign of failure or adversity is not the kind of customer that CCP wants. People still push that old myth? It’s not what CCP wants. It’s what PA wants. And what PA wants is customer retention. If they have to remove PVP to arena only to do it, they will. If they have to sell convenience at a few dollars a pop, they’ll do it. If they have to bribe people to log in every day… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/140 "2020-08-17T23:58:26Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > It’s not what CCP wants. It’s what PA wants. And what PA wants is customer retention. If they have to remove PVP to arena only to do it, they will. If they have to sell convenience at a few dollars a pop, they’ll do it. If they have to bribe people to log in every day… I suppose I will correct my statement slightly: it’s not the sort of customer that CCP _should_ want. Whether or not their new owners are willing to kill the long-term future of EVE in exchange for extracting more F2P cash shop money from the whales is a valid question. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/141 "2020-08-17T23:59:26Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > the Trig boondoggle. 🤣 Ok, I’ll get off their back. I’ll wait till January before I bust their butt again. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-of-the-implications-of-niarjas-invasion/260741/142 "2020-08-18T00:00:42Z")
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