# \[Discussion\] PLEX and Omega price changes feedback thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [April 22, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882 "2022-04-22T13:00:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4355 "2022-07-21T20:54:10Z")
> [@Krystal\_Beth](#): > > So for the single account player who wants a new ship, its off to instanced content to farm the isk to buy from current stockpiles right? Why spend hours earning ISK when it is much more time efficient, if you earn more than 1$ an hour to buy plex unless you are a masochist? ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_monkey/32/328559_2.png) [@Forum\_Monkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4356 "2022-07-21T21:18:50Z")
pay2win ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4357 "2022-07-22T01:19:34Z")
I built both a Providence, an Orca, a Charon, and a ton of other ships, using a single indy character. The big ones took ages, built some components, others I bought for a lot cheaper than I could make and shipped them out of the dark corners of the Universe at ungodly hours. Cost me a lot less than buying the ships and it was fun, but its virtually impossible now. Even if you have the alts and are part of a big nullsec alliance, with access to the resources, the sheer investment in real time is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4358 "2022-07-22T09:31:38Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Why spend hours earning ISK when it is much more time efficient, if you earn more than 1$ an hour to buy plex unless you are a masochist? I see this argument a lot so I’m going to comment on this. It’s a decent argument _against_ grinding, but it’s not a compelling reason for buying PLEX to a lot of players. The masochists are not the silliest players in the MMO scene. Many players don’t want to “win” or progress through their credit cards. It makes everything within the game more trivial and it feels like a scam. Why pay to the skip the game? Makes more sense to both skip the paying and the game. Even if they only wanted to skip the PvE and go for the PvP, it then makes sense to go looking for a game that only has PvP. Saves time and money. An MMO with bad PvE is a bad game and even decent PvE on repeat becomes a chore, which means most or all MMOs are simply bad games. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4359 "2022-07-22T10:07:55Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > An MMO with bad PvE is a bad game and even decent PvE on repeat becomes a chore PVE in EVE is beyond boring. PvP is where the fun is. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4360 "2022-07-22T10:23:20Z")
Yes. EVE would be better, if it were not an MMO. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4361 "2022-07-22T12:52:35Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > Yes. EVE would be better, if it were not an MMO And how do you PvP alone? Punch yourself in the face? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4362 "2022-07-22T12:53:18Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > PvP is where the fun is. Except for the blueballing, no shows, timers and in many cases being roflstomped in 9 nanoseconds ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4363 "2022-07-22T13:14:18Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > And how do you PvP alone? Punch yourself in the face? The real time tactics genre would be the most logical choice for this game. Hypothetically, if a game designer were to design a new EVE game, without certain exploitive business considerations in mind, that’s where they’d probably arrive at. RTT is multiplayer and there’s more pros than cons compared to MMOs. The interface can handle multiple ships per player, without resorting to third party applications and clumsy switches. You can easily have those huge, epic battles with hundreds or even thousands of spaceships, but without Tidi slowdowns, as advertised. Nobody has to be a mere F1 monkey, because everyone on your team controls a whole wing. Nobody has to mine or do PI, but you can still have ship design and army compositions, fleet budgets and clans. A Zkill board would still be great for keeping score and trying to second guess the opposing army composition. Seriously, why is EVE even an MMO? It’s all just subs and plex and fomo. I get why some fantasy RPGs with players roleplaying their character may need to be persistent worlds, even with all the digital herpes that comes with playing an MMO, but EVE is abstract. There’s no playing house here. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4364 "2022-07-22T17:51:33Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > The real time tactics genre would be the most logical choice for this game Frankly I have never heard of Real time tactics games before. Could you link a game like that for others to learn? I do agree with the points @Ramona_McCandless makes about pvp. I HATE NO SHOWS. As a former merc/station defender that was the worst. PVP has so many cons for me. I do like the arena PVP despite everyone’s objections to that. Instant action I think appeals to me and a lot of others. Roaming NS fleets fulfill this also. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4365 "2022-07-22T18:18:34Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I do like the arena PVP despite everyone’s objections to that. Instant action I think appeals to me and a lot of others. Roaming NS fleets fulfill this also. You need to understand that you are playing the wrong game. I am not saying that I wouldn’t like arena-style EVE PvP but that is not going to happen besides ocassional Proving Grounds events. These posts “I want EVE to be a PVE only game”, “I want EVE to by arena-style PvP game” etc. are all nonsense. If you really wanted such game then you would playing it already, there are games offering that on the market and they are doing it better than EVE (ever would have). But you don’t like those games do you? Ask yourself why is that and why would EVE be any different if it was rebranded/remade into such game. Answer is that it wouldn’t, it would probably be even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4366 "2022-07-22T18:25:14Z")
![Screenshot_20220722-142417_Chrome](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/9/55957250328c317afde81b6b0c0b25f87f09aba0.jpeg) These are considered RTT ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4367 "2022-07-22T21:26:09Z")
> [@Krystal\_Beth](#): > > My point is that Eve is designed to be played with multiple alts concurrently. 1 is plenty. Multiple accounts is when you give into propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4368 "2022-07-23T01:03:51Z")
Game is definitely playable with just 1 account. Except that no matter what you do, you are constantly thinking of “if I multiboxed and had (one) more accounts this would be much simpler/faster/safer/enjoyable/profitable/thrilling”. You can excuse it as you want, but EVE is horribly bland game which actually plays itself for most of the time. Everything is so damn slow and I can’t see another reason for that being the case other than “so we sell them more PLEXes via multiboxing which we allowed and encouraged”. I mean okay, I suppose the original intent was perhaps so all these activities requires more than just 1 player and that is fine idea and I used to do it with friends back when I started and it was much more enjoyable, but the fact that multiboxing was slowly encouraged and became dominant playstyle along with much less (real) players playing the game since then effectively made all these activities multiboxing only. Especially because many activities are gated behind other restrictions like timers, opportunity cost, risk from them being in ls/ns/wh only, random (escalations) and more and especially because even with one or two friends, it often still is super slow and boring. There are activities that are bit more demanding on player’s input, but essentially 90% of time we are staring at an (empty) screen where either nothing is happening or the game plays itself (ship mining, shooting npc sometimes (with drone boat)). In my opinion this is the main reason why EVE is niché game and will never be popular and why no “proplayers” or “esports” can come from it. It really is boring and multiboxing is often a way how to cut the boredom at least a bit. Also, when “everyone” is multiboxing, then you (meaning globally) feel compelled to also multibox in order to keep up and being able to compete. This is of course just psychological and it doesn’t exclude you being able to do that with just 1 account but yeah. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4369 "2022-07-23T05:44:20Z")
I mean you are right yes, but I logic’ed it out to my self that for every extra account you use the less skill you can apply per character and the more alts you add the more mundane and boring the task would have to be to manage all those accounts. Luckily there are things in the game that if done well with one character can be sustaining enough in isk generation and also fun so that is enough for me tbh and anything that requires multiple people I would rather do with friends than with alt’s. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4370 "2022-07-23T05:48:01Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I would rather do with friends than with alt’s. You expect anyone to want to be friends with me??? 🤣 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4371 "2022-07-23T05:49:25Z")
Don’t see why not. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4372 "2022-07-23T05:57:45Z")
But you didn’t see the bio posted about me. I beat baby seals with a club, drown kittens and butcher puppies just to begin with. I run over old ladies in their walkers, stomp on bunnies and fry chipmunks with a magnifying glass. If this is the new generation, you can have them. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4373 "2022-07-23T05:58:36Z")
Shame what did you do to these poor people kill their mining ship? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/4374 "2022-07-23T05:59:24Z")
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