# \[Discussion\] PLEX and Omega price changes feedback thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [April 22, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882 "2022-04-22T13:00:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![xHxHxAOD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xhxhxaod/32/396571_2.png) [@xHxHxAOD](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xHxHxAOD)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2207 "2022-04-24T05:25:00Z")
I would really like to point this out. At current prices on 4 subs month to month it comes to $60 a month. At new prices 3 subs equal $60. So the can afford to lose 1 sub for every 3 kept dor same money. Now here is the big issue, they are losing more subs than that. People such as myself who have several accounts, i have 10 have unsubbed more than one per every 3 kept. This is a net loss across the board. Example at current price i pay $150 a month for 10 accounts. I unsubbed 9 of them so i went from 150 to 20 a month at new prices. Even if i went back up to 3 accounts that is only 60 vs 150. Still a huge next loss from one person. Many people are currently doing or looking at similar things. You should also look at areas where multiple benefit you such as say indy or mining. Less accounts mean less indy stuff being made or at the least at slower rates. Less mining leads to higher ore prices etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2208 "2022-04-24T05:26:35Z")
If you run multiple accounts, SP-farm them…it’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![little\_nemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/little_nemo/32/401821_2.png) [@little\_nemo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/little_nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2209 "2022-04-24T05:31:37Z")
I really appreciate your candor. Just recently returned to the game and I’ve been vacillating on whether or not I want to take the plunge back into EVE with my 6 accounts. This increase in price is making me reconsider my decision. CCP will have to pull an impressively large rabbit out of the hat at fanfest at this point. This is unfortunate news and really bad timing. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2210 "2022-04-24T05:36:07Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Are you really going to sit there and say that both Blizzard and CCP should be able to deal with economy changes over two decades exactly the same? No. But Blizzard isn’t the only MMO company out there, are they? One of my examples, after all, was The Lord of the Rings Online. Standing Stone Games is _far_ closer to CCP than they are to Blizzard. Though of course, SSG _doesn’t_ have a parent company that can assist with capitalization. Regardless, it’s perfectly valid to look at how others are managing their finances in these situations and asking ‘so why does CCP claim they _need_ to do it this way?’ Especially since there are a number of alternatives that have been consistently outlined for years. ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2211 "2022-04-24T05:43:04Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Standing Stone Games LOL…you should see who their publishers are…massive multinationals. > [@Arrendis](#): > > it’s perfectly valid to look at how others are managing their finances Yes, when you compare apples to apples…which we’re still not doing. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2212 "2022-04-24T05:51:04Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > their publishers Yes. Not their owners. SSG has a publishing deal with Daybreak, they are _not_ owned by them. In fact SSG bought _themselves_ out of WB Boston. ---
**Author:** ![Yoonii\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yoonii_kim/32/317099_2.png) [@Yoonii\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yoonii_Kim)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2213 "2022-04-24T05:52:58Z")
Who is selling fowl apples for 20$? oh i see. Lets make some Applejuice out of it, so you could swallow it at least and not put overpriced half rotten apples on the desk and want more for it than when it was fresh fruits. ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2214 "2022-04-24T05:54:36Z")
The point is that they had backing…CCP didn’t. The financial history of these two examples are really not the same at all. 🍎 ≠ 🍊 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2215 "2022-04-24T05:58:44Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > The point is that they had backing…CCP didn’t. Really? CCP didn’t have backing… when? Because the salient time frame is the one in which the pricing changes have occurred. CCP’s pricing changes happened… _now_, while they _are_ owned by a larger company providing considerable potential support. SSG’s pricing changes, by comparison, happened _after_ they bought their independence, at a time when they did _not_ have any financial support from a larger company. So, again, there’s no validity whatsoever to say that the choices made by the smaller company that have resulted in a larger number of happy customers were somehow not available to CCP. They pretty clearly _were_, and they have been for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2216 "2022-04-24T06:03:45Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > The financial history of these two examples Further, the financial _history_ of the two companies, and how they differ, is what’s not at all salient. It doesn’t matter how they came to the point of deciding that they needed to change their pricing structure to increase revenue, only whether they had the same options available to them. Could SSG have increased their prices? Could CCP have attempted to reduce the initial buy-in point and monetize by providing a larger selection of purely cosmetic items their customer base has definitely indicated an eagerness to purchase? The answer is ‘yes’ in both cases. As a result, it is _entirely_ appropriate to compare the two companies’ decisions, and the immediate reaction to them. ---
**Author:** ![Yuri\_Oasark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuri_oasark/32/477697_2.png) [@Yuri\_Oasark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuri_Oasark)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2217 "2022-04-24T06:06:19Z")
We keep bringing it up because CCP is over valuing their stagnating game. And CCP Effectively Ignoring and going against their player base(We The People) you could see they are acting very arrogant. And if they want this game to last years more, this is def not the way to go about it. They haven’t added any good content for a while they ruined Industry for most people, and it took them a good 2 years or so to fix what they broke, you can see why people don’t want to pay luxury prices for something that is disguised garbage, and an empty husk of its former glory. It’s like if an Indie dev made a crap game with graphics from the PS2 era, wanted AAA title cost to buy their game. ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2218 "2022-04-24T06:06:26Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > CCP didn’t have backing… when The start until PA bought them. ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2219 "2022-04-24T06:08:01Z")
> [@Yuri\_Oasark](#): > > We keep bringing it up because CCP is over valuing their stagnating game, Then stop playing. WTF are you playing something you open call stagnant in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2220 "2022-04-24T06:11:13Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > If you run multiple accounts, SP-farm them…it’s that simple. SP farming is good and all but the pressure to make isk is meh. I SP farm 21 and I’ve mostly used them for ganking. Wouldn’t be so bad if we had 2012-2014 levels of player count. I just stops being fun and stops being a game and turns into chores. Which is unfortunate because there’s not much fun to be had in eve that doesn’t require multiboxing or friends, and unfortunately we have a dwindling PCU and CCP have already pushed most of my friends out of the game years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Yuri\_Oasark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuri_oasark/32/477697_2.png) [@Yuri\_Oasark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuri_Oasark)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2221 "2022-04-24T06:12:11Z")
I said it was stagnating it hasn’t got there yet, but it’s dangerously close. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2222 "2022-04-24T06:13:04Z")
> [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](#): > > The start until PA bought them. This is not at all true. CCP were not self-owned prior to the Pearl Abyss acquisition. Instead, CCP had _considerable_ financial backing available to them, as they were owned by a venture capitalist group that includes one of the wealthiest bankers in Iceland. In addition, they’ve seen multi-million dollar investments from outside concerns, including New Enterprise and Novator—enough of an investment that it saw multiple partners at New Enterprise join CCP’s Board of Directors. ---
**Author:** ![Yoonii\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yoonii_kim/32/317099_2.png) [@Yoonii\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yoonii_Kim)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2223 "2022-04-24T06:14:35Z")
🍏 🍎 ❣ btw goiing a few years backwards and than slowly getting back to where it was years ago isnt stagnateing… i mean you didnt move forward but you moved 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2224 "2022-04-24T06:15:28Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > SP farming is good and all but the pressure to make isk is meh. What pressure? Generally you break even so…granted it’s a bit tedious at times but everything has a price. I think I worked it out that the old log-in bonus alone netted me 18B a year…that’s before all the free crap they give away. Remember when they gave all the explorer ships? My god that was a ton of free ISP… …any how… ---
**Author:** ![Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ran_yamaguchi/32/279235_2.png) [@Ran\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ran_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2225 "2022-04-24T06:18:49Z")
I give up…you are right they are identical. What was I thinking. You win. 🍪 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882/2226 "2022-04-24T06:22:58Z")
Wonderful job of pulling out a passive-aggressive strawman there, btw. You’ll note I never said they were identical, only that the decisions they made offered a similar enough set of options that they could be reasonably compared and evaluated in contrast to one another. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly shifted your goalposts and generally attempted one dishonest argument tactic after another while attempting to claim that it’s impossible to compare two companies in _similar_ situations: relatively small developers of aging MMOs that need to find ways to increase revenue. I ‘won’ the moment you had to resort to bad-faith arguments… so like… basically as soon as you started posting. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882.md?page=96) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/discussion-plex-and-omega-price-changes-feedback-thread/358882.md?page=98)