# Dishonor of Caldari Soldier **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854 "2018-07-12T22:37:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Louella\_Dougans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louella_dougans/32/402944_2.png) [@Louella\_Dougans](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Louella_Dougans)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/121 "2018-07-27T18:29:41Z")
Wait, you have surveillance cameras set up in your employees quarters ? And this guy covered them up when meeting the Gallente girl ? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/122 "2018-07-27T18:31:34Z")
Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/123 "2018-07-27T20:02:13Z")
Do Caldari not know what hotels are for? ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/124 "2018-07-27T20:02:42Z")
Then how are there hours of footage if they were covered? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/125 "2018-07-27T20:04:41Z")
Footage of a black screen? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/126 "2018-07-27T20:06:39Z")
You know what, Diana, I’ll grant you this one: on reviewing the video, you didn’t chop off Yucie’s hands, just all of her fingers. And I’ve sent you a link to the footage. Or will you deny that, too? You know what happens then. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/127 "2018-07-27T21:38:59Z")
Do share. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/128 "2018-07-27T22:15:01Z")
I’m giving her a chance, first. ---
**Author:** ![Ragionier\_Sunji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ragionier_sunji/32/56713_2.png) [@Ragionier\_Sunji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ragionier_Sunji)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/129 "2018-07-27T23:53:17Z")
Well, considering the high level of automation inside the Federation Navy, chances are your employee was being intimate with a drone. Come to think of it, from a capsuleer perspective that would be marginally better than doing that with another human. Two meat popsicles touching each other! Yuck! As if one wasn’t already disgusting enough! You know what? I would have just executed them on the grounds of them being corporeal and me being tired of watching them moving! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/130 "2018-07-28T05:20:45Z")
There’s something very wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/131 "2018-07-28T06:09:33Z")
If we start executing personnel on bare accusations, then how are we better than guristas, gallentes or same goons? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/132 "2018-07-28T11:49:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I’m giving her a chance, first. You are giving me WHAT? You, the liar, who publically said that I _cut her hands off_ and even said you’d get the “video record”. And now you just trying to squeeze away from the responsibility of YOUR words, saying I didn’t chop her hands. Where are apologies? Noo, instead you instantlly switch discussion to IMMEDIATELY tell other thing about me, derailing the thread further. What happened, goon? Your CGI artists failed to draw me chopping off someone’s hands? And it wasn’t even related to the incident being discussed in the first place. But thanks for proving my point, YOU ARE a liar. There is no trust to anything you say. And that I “chop off people hands” is far from the first, in even the same thread, you left “opus” like this: > [@Arrendis](#): > > As such, she engages in what is probably best called an extremely fictionalized pretext of role-playing, and going through the motions. And, of course, other minor references to my personality instead of the discussion - and as usual, terrifically wrong: > [@Arrendis](#): > > Why would you abuse the trust of your crew > [@Arrendis](#): > > you expose innocent people > [@Arrendis](#): > > You have provided ammunition for anyone who wants to use this as anti-State propaganda. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Yet that is precisely what you have done. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Nah, she does that with everyone. I saw her cut someone’s hands off for trying to offer her food. It was weird. “with everyone”… “you saw”… > [@Arrendis](#): > > It is not your place to decide It’s not YOUR place to say anything to or about me. I am sick from your perverted attempts to shame me. You ARE a liar and annoying person, diverting the discussion into wrong direction. ENOUGH. I have wasted enough time on reading and replying to your pathetic attempts at shaming me. But you gave me a way to discard everything else you post or dare to claim about me. I don’t even have to read or watch them, because I, and everyone who read it now, should know that you are a LIAR. And yes, I am not giving YOU a chance. Check, and mate. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Ragionier\_Sunji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ragionier_sunji/32/56713_2.png) [@Ragionier\_Sunji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ragionier_Sunji)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/133 "2018-07-28T13:18:59Z")
I’m not talking about executing personnel on bare accusation. I’m talking about executing them on a whim. Big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Ragionier\_Sunji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ragionier_sunji/32/56713_2.png) [@Ragionier\_Sunji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ragionier_Sunji)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/134 "2018-07-28T13:23:20Z")
Why? We are capsuleers, we are no longer human. Why should we dabble in such petty affairs? I mean, when you accept security mission you have no qualms killing thousands of soldiers simply because the wreck of their ship might have some good salvage, do you? If you want to kill them, do that, no need to find a justification. Justifications are for human beings, and you stopped being one the moment you got shoved into a capsule and were unable to get out for the rest of your life. Which will be a loooong one, since, you know, we are immortal and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/135 "2018-07-28T14:15:24Z")
A) I don’t take missions. B) We’re still very much human. Some of us are just delusional, thinking we’re immortal, and have gone beyond humanity. We’re not . And we haven’t. And sadly, there’s nothing new or inhuman about a delusional sociopath getting his jollies by hurting people to reassure himself that he’s so much better than they are. ---
**Author:** ![Saya\_Ishikari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saya_ishikari/32/462368_2.png) [@Saya\_Ishikari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saya_Ishikari)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/136 "2018-07-28T14:23:10Z")
Is it just me, or are many of the newer members of our ilk completely sold on the “demigod” line? It makes me wonder what the training programs are like as of late… ---
**Author:** ![Ragionier\_Sunji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ragionier_sunji/32/56713_2.png) [@Ragionier\_Sunji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ragionier_Sunji)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/137 "2018-07-28T15:06:36Z")
Don’t misunderstand me, I believe that in many ways we are LESS than human. The remarks I made in other posts were in jest. But only to a point. I hope what I write below will explain why: As capsuleers, we have lost all ways of interacting with the outside world which do not involve a ship. We can’t have a family, we can’t walk around with other people, we can’t touch them, we can’t hear them if not through a transmitter. Even if we write something, we produce works of intellect, how can we pretend people will find any use for ideas created by someone who is unable to see the actual world? How much capsuleers can actually discover, while being unable to perform experiments or talking with another colleague? In the end, we end up causing wars and amassing enormous amounts of wealth not because we actually need that, but because once you are one with a ship that’s the only way you have of communicating with the outside world. And also that is the only way the outside world can communicate with you. Let’s take the example of capsuleers that swear loyalty to the Caldari State. Will they ever have be given responsibility as officers, beyond their own ships? Doesn’t seem like it: after all, would YOU give such a job to someone who can only know what it means to be human in theory? The only recognition they’ll ever receive is money and equipment. It’s not wrong mind you, it’s just the only things a capsuleer has any actual use for. Which is why I can’t really understand capsuleers that act in revenge towards humans. Or hatred. Or jealousy. Or love. Or like we are some sort of romantic heroes. It seems to me like pretending to be something we are not. And don’t misunderstand me: I’m not bemoaning our position. Not only we still serve an important role towards New Eden, but we might also be saving the Jovian civilization, and possibly the rest of mankind. It seems to me the reason why the Jovians are so interested in this project is that the Jovian disease might not be a defect caused by genetic manipulation, but the inevitable result of humans conquering all their limits: they simply have nothing to strive towards. So they helped create the capsuleer, an immortal creature with not that much to live for, to see whether or not it will still find a reason to push forward. And by doing so, perhaps we can show them how to keep on going, even when everything seems to have already been said and done. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/138 "2018-07-28T15:19:26Z")
Did they glue your pod hatch closed, or something? I sleep in a _bed_. With someone else, when circumstances allow. Many of the eggers here have kids. They got those kids the old fashion way: ~~theft~~ sex. Aaaand… we’re not saving the Jove. The Jove appear to be gone, their systems exploded, their stargates collapsed, and their seat at CONCORD in the hands of the Society. ---
**Author:** ![Saya\_Ishikari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saya_ishikari/32/462368_2.png) [@Saya\_Ishikari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saya_Ishikari)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/142 "2018-07-28T17:30:17Z")
((Ultimate capsuleer graduation prank? Convince someone they can’t decant from their pod til it’s explained again? 😛 Welcome to EVE!)) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854/144 "2018-07-28T21:49:16Z")
Well, Diana, [as promised](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QothzVpuy2J1z-s6adoj6D0xVRVNRSWTxru3V4-pUyo/edit?usp=sharing). From the dishonorable blow to you needing Yucie and I to tell you how to redeem your honor after telling a woman who’s fingers you’d just cut off to pick up her sword. I guess you wanted her to grip it with her _teeth_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dishonor-of-caldari-soldier/88854.md?page=8)