# Dispelling The Hype Over Alien Life **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 3, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235 "2023-01-03T02:14:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/241 "2023-01-13T14:41:42Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Your mentality is, if you can’t control the outcome of the science experiment to generate the systemic value of control that you want to put money into your pocket while you walk around with a boobly god head on your shoulders, then experiment isnt real. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > _Personally_ I think there is other life out there, but I have zero proof or evidence for it. It is 99% wishful thinking and hope. @Dyson_Vandermeer Altara doesn’t seem to type like a controlling person, id actually describe you in that way somewhat. Also, how exactly would one control the outcome of the double slit experiment for example? One simply performs the experiment correctly and accepts whatever outcome they get, anything else is nonsense. The goal will always be to understand what’s going on since the subject is how the universe works, I’m very sure all scientists out there are happy to NOT try to control the outcome and simply accept whatever the findings are. There is no room for any kind of manipulation or lies just to get clout. Anyone who has the mentality you describe is a complete idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/242 "2023-01-13T14:50:27Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Where does thought come from? Judging by your posts…I’m not sure thought is a process you are familiar with. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/243 "2023-01-13T14:55:58Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Altara doesn’t seem to type like a controlling person, id actually describe you in that way somewhat. I’m with Kipping in that ‘we simply don’t know’ the answer to the issue of alien life. And we don’t ! People who pretend they do know the answer are simply showing off their confirmation bias. They are just bluster masquerading as actual thought. Nobody has _any_ idea if we are alone or if the universe is teeming with life. And that is all Kipping is saying…which is the truth. People who try to impose some sort of philosophical idealism ( thought creates everything ) equally have zero evidence that idealism is correct. It’s all just people spouting forth…when an honest person simply says ’ we don’t know’. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/244 "2023-01-13T14:57:46Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’m with Kipping in that ‘we simply don’t know’ the answer to the issue of alien life. And we don’t ! Yes, this is the most reasonable conclusion one can reach since there is so much we don’t know. I’d expect they would prepare for Alien contact if there are missions to mars or further, certain countries have devoted time and resource to preparing for alien contact, I believe it is better to be prepared and not need it rather than unprepared and need it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/245 "2023-01-13T15:06:41Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I’d expect they would prepare for Alien contact if there are missions to mars or further, certain countries have devoted time and resource to preparing for alien contact, I believe it is better to be prepared and not need it rather than unprepared and need it. I’ve never really seen alien contact as some overwhelming thing. Sure it would be amazing news, but I’m pretty sure Prince Harry would be back on the front page the following day. Heck, some of the _people_ on this planet are more ‘alien’ to me than anything with 7 heads and 15 tentacles could ever be. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/246 "2023-01-13T15:09:45Z")
Why are you identifying as a robot? A robot functions on an input that generates a desired outcome. Math Booble Heads are robots. Explain the word thought and how thought came into being. Because without thought there is no need for the Universe. Sure you linearize atoms and reactions all day long, but in all your superior mathematical precsision, you still can’t explain where thought, the subconscious and conscious comes from because unlike an atom that does not exist forever, thought exists in the realm of infity. Someome had to think about arranging particles to become the Big Bang, a thought process that came before the Big Bang and not after. Such a thought, 'I think therefore I ‘am.’ universaly layers to infinity. When you look at who created you, and then the people who created the people who created you and then the people who created the people who created the people who created you and apply the same reality to the notion of Gods and Goddesses, because in order for Gods and Goddesses to create, those Gods and Goddesses must be created first by other Gods and Goddesses which creates an infinite continuum of creation, prior to the Big Bang and after the Big Bang. The same is true with solar systems. An Earth like planet must have a star and other planets in order to exist, a solar system must have a star in order to exist as a solar system. A galaxy must have numerous solar systems to exist. A universe must have many galaxies in order to exist and infinity, infinity must have numerous universes in order to exist. Therefore to even propose that life doesnt exist on other planets is no different than stepping out in front of a freight train and believing the train will stop in time to keep from hitting you. Now, once again, explain how thought came into being to direct the building of DNA and RNA. Because that same thought process is present in other galaxies. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/247 "2023-01-13T15:10:40Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’ve never really seen alien contact as some overwhelming thing. Many people say the earth sending out signals and making noise in the universe is like a small child being in a jungle shouting loudly. The child must stay quiet to remain safe. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/248 "2023-01-13T15:24:44Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Math Booble Heads are robots. Ah…now I get it. You don’t actually understand maths so it’s easier to just present it as some boogey man. Then you can pretend that a load of word salad hyperbole actually means something in place of rigorous mathematics. Until one day you come upon people who are not deceived and see right through the charade. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/249 "2023-01-13T15:40:29Z")
Those dumb bobble heads that built the Large Hadron Collider just make stuff up as they go along. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/250 "2023-01-13T15:53:27Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Many people say the earth sending out signals and making noise in the universe is like a small child being in a jungle shouting loudly. The child must stay quiet to remain safe. I don’t buy that argument…as any aliens powerful enough to blap Earth would already know we were here. They would have long since noticed life on Earth from the composition of our atmosphere, and would have noticed industrial civilisation long before we sent radio waves into space. Any any alien civilisation that had wanted to take over Earth surely would have done so back when we had clubs and flint spears…which was a brief period of time ago on the galactic scale of things. Then again…some say the aliens _have_ been here. But I’ve yet to see convincing evidence of it. ---
**Author:** ![LordOdysseus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lordodysseus/32/422627_2.png) [@LordOdysseus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LordOdysseus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/251 "2023-01-13T16:05:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Then again…some say the aliens _have_ been here. But I’ve yet to see convincing evidence of it. With all my respect, sir(or madam), what would be counted as or how do you, personally, define “convincing evidence”? ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/252 "2023-01-13T16:41:46Z")
Now I know you’re full of bullsh\*t Altara. Since the fall of 2015, Kipping’s Cool Worlds lab, part of the Department of Astronomy at Columbia, has studied these extrasolar planetary systems. Cool Worlds searches for exoplanets, exomoons, and all sorts of surreal estate; six graduate students currently work in the lab. “We look for things mostly within the habitable zone,” says Kipping. That’s the sweet spot in any system, where planets are not too hot or too cold — a place where temperatures might be right for liquid water, a place where Earth-like worlds might exist. A place, Kipping says, “where life starts to become possible.” Isn’t your entire thread dispelling the hype over alien life existing on other planets using Kipping as a base? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/253 "2023-01-13T16:53:20Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > a place where Earth-like worlds **might** exist Did you notice the word ‘might’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/254 "2023-01-13T16:55:54Z")
> [@LordOdysseus](#): > > With all my respect, sir(or madam), what would be counted as or how do you, personally, define “convincing evidence”? How about a photo of a UFO close enough to see the rivets…rather than the invariable blurry, out of focus, indistinguishable, tiny blob in the distance ? ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/255 "2023-01-13T17:14:11Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > “We look for things mostly within the habitable zone,” says Kipping. That’s the sweet spot in any system, where planets are not too hot or too cold — a place where temperatures might be right for liquid water, a place where Earth-like worlds might exist. How interesting. They’re only looking for life as we know it, which is on a Goldielocks planet god-knows-how-far-away. what about life as we _don’t_ know it? I believe I touched on this topic in one of my earlier posts. Life as we _don’t_ know it could be anywhere. In order to widen our net, we should be looking for something we’re not sure about. It’s like finding a turd in a hot tub. Swimming pools are too obvious. This topic deserves a reply from a guy like Planetary Chakra TerraBuddhas. At least he opens minds like LSD to a hippie. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/256 "2023-01-13T17:23:15Z")
> [@Quentin\_Schaefer](#): > > what about life as we _don’t_ know it? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/0/5/405cf50d4303f8326fa33192ef68c945c6b1e6d3.jpeg "RUMSFELD / KNOWNS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWeBzGuzCc) ---
**Author:** ![LordOdysseus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lordodysseus/32/422627_2.png) [@LordOdysseus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LordOdysseus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/257 "2023-01-13T17:29:10Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How about a photo of a UFO close enough to see the rivets…rather than the invariable blurry, out of focus, indistinguishable, tiny blob in the distance ? Have you ever often seen such a photo, but a modern fighter jet zooming through the sky (while the shooter is on the ground), much slower than a UFO, at the speed of sound(or 2x) has its bolts seen clearly in photo? Not everyone carries a Hasselblad H6D-400C or a RED Camera to record such detail. The next best thing that is a high-end smartphone which is not cut for this despite being ubiquitous…or the original “Kumburgaz UFO” footage. Also on a similar note I’d like to point out: You see security camera footage of criminals at 6 o’clock evening news, right? How do they get caught when the footage is so blurry and they get face recognized by the police, deduced solely from that blurry footage if image quality mattered so much? What about the Phoenix Lights that happened on March 13, 1997 and was observed by tens of thousands with naked eye? ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/258 "2023-01-13T17:29:47Z")
> [@Quentin\_Schaefer](#): > > what about life as we _don’t_ know it? Exactly. We need to step out into the realm of unknown and start looking. Only then can we start to have an idea about what to look for and where to look it. For all we know there could be Space Amoebas flying around in space like Lightman after failing to impress the Tastemaker. Or there could be life on Venus. We simply don’t know unless we know. But limiting our knowns to what we think we know is closing our net to the otherworldly possible. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/259 "2023-01-13T17:34:00Z")
> [@LordOdysseus](#): > > What about the Phoenix Lights that happened on March 13, 1997 and was observed by tens of thousands with naked eye? And was not captured on a single CCTV camera. ---
**Author:** ![LordOdysseus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lordodysseus/32/422627_2.png) [@LordOdysseus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LordOdysseus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/260 "2023-01-13T17:36:58Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And was not captured on a single CCTV camera. 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=14)