# Dispelling The Hype Over Alien Life **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 3, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235 "2023-01-03T02:14:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/41 "2023-01-04T03:36:04Z")
No I don’t care about number of stars. That is irrelevant. It has already happened. Therefore it can happen. Therefore it is bound to happen elsewhere. Also personally I consider as fallacious his thinking about our uniqueness. As for the argument of “we don’t know therefore we can’t tell anything”. I don’t know if you are man or woman, but I can predict that you are a man based on a probability. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/42 "2023-01-04T10:46:30Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > It has already happened. Therefore it can happen. Therefore it is bound to happen elsewhere. This is deriving too much conclusion from incomplete data. It happened, but we know of one case only. And we dont even know yet full picture how it happened. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I can predict that you are a man based on a probability There is probability, but prediction is flawed, as that probability still exists and nothing is known for sure, as a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Noknow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_noknow/32/348418_2.png) [@Dr\_Noknow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Noknow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/43 "2023-01-04T10:56:28Z")
Whomever thinks those trillions of galaxies with gazillios of suns and innumerable planets exist _just_ for our naked-eye enjoyment needs a catscan. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/44 "2023-01-04T10:57:57Z")
They have existed for itself, and will exist for itself, even without life. There is no purpose to the world to exist, but for some reasons humans need a reason. It just is. You are asking questions that have no answers, as planets, stars, etc, don’t talk… Observing doesnt imply the reason for creation of observer. At some point in time and space, nobody care. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/45 "2023-01-04T11:07:49Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > Whomever thinks those trillions of galaxies with gazillios of suns and innumerable planets exist _just_ for our naked-eye enjoyment needs a catscan They need more than a catscan nowadays. Looking at the murderous policies they support and the immoral crap they’re trying to feed our children with I think asylums and straitjackets need to make an emergency come back stat. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Noknow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_noknow/32/348418_2.png) [@Dr\_Noknow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Noknow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/46 "2023-01-04T11:36:57Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They have existed for itself, and will exist for itself, even without life So? > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There is no purpose to the world to exist Right ( jesus! ) > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > but for some reasons humans need a reason. We dont _need_ one, we **want** one, because we are thinking beings who ask questions in order to understand the world around us. It looks like had it been up to you the first campfire would have never been started. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You are asking questions that have no answers Can you point to the question I asked in this thread? > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Observing doesnt imply the reason for creation of observer Read my post again. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > At some point in time and space, nobody care It’s just the opposite that’s happening. People are slowly realizing that Man hasn’t been the only living being in the universe. And I very much like this statement > [@Martin\_Cambrio](#): > > Of course there are other beings in the universe, oherwise it would be an awful waste of space because the truth of it is so simple yet so deep that it can only lead to one irrefutable conclusion: there are other beings out there and just because scientists don’t come out and say so doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Science as a whole isn’t a complete discipline, it’s an ongoing process of discovery. To suggest that something doesn’t exist based on human reckoning and technology is almost laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/47 "2023-01-04T11:39:15Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > So? So it means that world desnt exist for anyones enjoyment. It just exists. > [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > Can you point to the question I asked in this thread? > [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > Whomever thinks those trillions of galaxies with gazillios of suns and innumerable planets exist _just_ for our naked-eye enjoyment Its a question, it starts with Whom, you certainly have an answer to that one, in the post, but its not right. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Noknow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_noknow/32/348418_2.png) [@Dr\_Noknow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Noknow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/48 "2023-01-04T11:41:13Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > So it means that world desnt exist for anyones enjoyment. It just exists. The thread is about the non-existence of extraterrestrials. Not about other worlds for Man to enjoy. That is a different discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/49 "2023-01-04T11:46:28Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > the truth of it is so simple > > there are other beings out there It isnt truth at all. Aliens can, and cant exist. Its probable, but also improbable. Glass is half empty, and half full. This is our knowledge. You see beliefs as truth, but in fact, you cant know. > for Man to enjoy And aliens. Lets not forget about them. Maybe they dont even want to enjoy it. Maybe the concept of enjoyment is alien to them. They would have thoughts, but that doesnt mean they would have to be emotional. Maybe they only need logic. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Noknow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_noknow/32/348418_2.png) [@Dr\_Noknow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Noknow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/50 "2023-01-04T12:02:15Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You see beliefs as truth, but in fact, you cant know “there are other beings in the universe, oherwise it would be an awful waste of space” isn’t a belief. It’s evident, something that shouldn’t even have to be said but for all our technology we are deaf and blind. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/51 "2023-01-04T12:06:05Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > “there are other beings in the universe, oherwise it would be an awful waste of space” isn’t a belief. A waste of space is only an opinion, not based on knowledge about universe. But deriving from it that aliens should be there also, because of that opinion, is belief. Beliefs are not grounded in facts or knowledge. What is truth doesnt depend on beliefs or opinions, it depends on knowledge, facts. The truth is we dont know. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Noknow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_noknow/32/348418_2.png) [@Dr\_Noknow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Noknow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/52 "2023-01-04T12:19:07Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > A waste of space is only an opinion, not based on knowledge about universe Really. So the scientists have no base for saying that the universe is so freakin’ HUGE that we can’t put a distance that would figure one end to other and the deduction that it would be an awful waste of space isn’t based on that very thing that the scientists have observed. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/53 "2023-01-04T13:23:02Z")
No human have idea about how spacious space is, was and will be, or how long it takes for it to be what you see now, when there were endless cycles before this one, or not. Nobody even needs that kind of knowledge, as its useless. You dont need the knowledge about the world before world, or if there was someone who knew it before you can know it. Maybe there were, are, will be aliens, maybe not. Nobody knows. If there were, what about it? It is one mandala ofter another. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/54 "2023-01-04T13:56:34Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > It has already happened. Therefore it can happen. Therefore it is bound to happen elsewhere. If there’s 100 billion stars in a galaxy, but if the chances of life forming around any one star are one in a trillion, then only one galaxy in 1000 will have life within it. There’s only a finite number of stars within the observable universe…however huge it may be…_and you do not know if the odds against life forming around any one star is larger than that_. That is what Prof Kipping is saying, and he is irrefutably correct. We have no idea what the chances are of life around any one star. People pretend they do…but all they are doing is showing confirmation bias. Everyone _wants_ there to be other life out there. Nobody likes the idea that we are alone. But to argue that there ‘must’ be other life out there, in the absence of _any_ data to go by other than a sample of one, is just not science. And, of course, if the universe is teeming with intelligent life…then I hand you over to Fermi… Where are they all ? > **[Fermi paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox)** > > The Fermi paradox is the discrepancy between the lack of conclusive evidence of advanced extraterrestrial life and the apparently high likelihood of its existence. As a 2015 article put it, "If life is so easy, someone from somewhere must have come calling by now." > Italian-American physicist Enrico Fermi's name is associated with the paradox because of a casual conversation in the summer of 1950 with fellow physicists Edward Teller, Herbert York, and Emil Konopinski. While walking to lunch, t... ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/55 "2023-01-04T14:03:51Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > The thread is about the non-existence of extraterrestrials. It’s more about ‘we simply don’t know’…and thus people like Brian Cox and Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Elon Musk are wrong to make definitive statements on the matter. Nobody is saying there isn’t or cannot be extraterrestrial life. Professor Kipping is taking the honest ( but not so popularist ) view that we simply don’t have enough evidence to judge the matter either way. It is OK to admit that we simply don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/56 "2023-01-04T14:06:25Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > if the universe is teeming with intelligent life Intelligence is overrated by those who have some. There is a lot of cognitive biases, one of the reasons intelligent people make big mistakes. If aliens suffer from cognitive biases, which would be possible with them being sort of intelligent, then they are in the same, bad spot as we are. Like stranded on a raft with a handkerchief and no hands to make a sail to get to other raft. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/57 "2023-01-04T14:18:49Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > Whomever thinks those trillions of galaxies with gazillios of suns and innumerable planets exist _just_ for our naked-eye enjoyment needs a catscan. It’s for me, not for you. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/58 "2023-01-04T16:15:27Z")
Imo these scientiest who are dealing with extraterrestrial life serves no purpose, all their efforts are completely useless because even if they find some proof that there is life, or was life, then what? We need scientists to create a propulsion for spaceships that will allow us to visit other stars personally. Then these questions will be answered soon. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/59 "2023-01-04T17:41:57Z")
Those are called ‘engineers’. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/60 "2023-01-04T20:41:47Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > visit other stars personally Even at this point its a lot easier to send our ears and eyes and other “feelers” to them without going personally. That will only become more evident with time, that probes are to be sent everywhere, without going personally. Our home is here. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=4)