# Dispelling The Hype Over Alien Life **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 3, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235 "2023-01-03T02:14:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/101 "2023-01-07T19:23:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you send me a billion isk, I’ll teach you advanced quantum engineering. You can be Aiko and Not Aiko at the same time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/102 "2023-01-07T19:48:58Z")
Common language and ideas doesnt catch up to physics sometimes. What “is” is, when everything changes constantly everywhere. Physicists approximate a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/103 "2023-01-07T20:05:48Z")
The funny thing about scientists is that they are absurdly confident in their version/vision of reality. Then, they are periodically proven completely wrong and they quickly recalibrate and they go back to being arrogant, intolerable know-it-alls, with a slightly modified (but still wrong) scientific narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/104 "2023-01-07T20:16:21Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > What “is” is, when everything changes constantly everywhere. Depends what your definition of the word ‘is’ is. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/105 "2023-01-07T21:15:54Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The funny thing about scientists is that they are absurdly confident in their version/vision of reality. Then, they are periodically proven completely wrong and they quickly recalibrate and they go back to being arrogant, intolerable know-it-alls, with a slightly modified (but still wrong) scientific narrative. I’ve heard talk that quantum electrodynamics ( QED ) is one of the biggest scams in science. There is some evidence that its ‘accuracy’ has been fiddled over the years. The originators of QED saw it as only a temporary theory with lots of fixes and fudges and an absurd ‘normalisation’ of infinities in the maths. 70 years later no-one in science dares point this out. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/106 "2023-01-07T21:20:40Z")
I know a pretty smart guy who laughs at string theory and says it is all just made up. Could be… ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/107 "2023-01-07T21:24:01Z")
“I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it.” — Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/108 "2023-01-07T21:42:32Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The funny thing about scientists is that they are absurdly confident in their version/vision of reality. Then, they are periodically proven completely wrong and they quickly recalibrate and they go back to being arrogant, intolerable know-it-alls, with a slightly modified (but still wrong) scientific narrative. Are you saying that scientists change their world view based on new evidence? Because yes, that’s kind of the idea of science. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/109 "2023-01-07T21:53:08Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Because yes, that’s kind of the idea of science. They don’t have to be so arrogant though. Sometimes someone who isn’t a scientist can formulate something that the scientists haven’t thought of. If they’re so arrogant as to be blind to outside reason, their discipline can suffer. Just recently, some random dude ( kidding, he’s an avid cave painting guy, but no scientist ) deciphered what the dots and lines signify next the the drawings of animals on cave walls. Turned out the cavemen knew and marked down when each animal had its birthing season. > **[Redirect Notice](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-64161861.amp)** That rests once and fall the argument that the cave men were mindless savages. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/110 "2023-01-07T21:57:50Z")
I saw that news too, it was a really nice find by the archaeologist! ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/111 "2023-01-07T22:11:48Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > it was a really nice find by the archaeologist! I did like that story and I’m glad they found another big clue about those men who drew those incredible pictures on the cave walls. I remember I could stare at those for hours as a kid. But that amateur archeologist was instrumental in figuring them out. It’s just one exemple of what can happen when scientists don’t turn up their nose at non-scientists. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/112 "2023-01-07T23:18:39Z")
There’s an even better example. School kids discovered the famous and important Charnia Masoni fossils in 1956…the first and best example of pre Cambrian fossils. But the original discovery by the kids was ignored, because no scientists believed that pre Cambrian fossils could even exist. A whole year went by in which the discovery was just ignored…before more school kids climbing on the same rocks finally had success in getting the discovery noticed. They are now recognised as some of the most important fossils ever discovered. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/113 "2023-01-07T23:31:48Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But the original discovery by the kids was ignored, because no scientists believed that pre Cambrian fossils could even exist …and some kids just finds it while playing 😅 I love it. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/114 "2023-01-08T05:25:30Z")
It isn’t discovered until a PhD gets there. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/115 "2023-01-08T06:01:43Z")
Scientists are humans with their cognitive biases and all, but idea is that you have to use scientific method. > **[Scientific method](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method)** > > The scientific method is an empirical method for acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century (with notable practitioners in previous centuries; see the article history of scientific method for additional detail.) It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation. It involves formulating hypotheses, via induction, based on ... For that you need research, and that is not made by amateurs, amateurs can do discoveries, but to prove or disprove you have to do research and use scientific method, be a scientist. For that you need a dose of scepticism. Scientists themselves are attacked by sceptics, but what you have to do is to present them a new proofs or new discoveries, not falsified. You are to be thankfull for idea of science where people just propose and criticize everything, and the better, more objective, more true idea wins or is accepted. Some scientists want new things to be discovered, whole their life they search for that fame and new thing to discover. If you have something really good, it was already thought or will be thought, so you have to research it now. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/116 "2023-01-08T06:43:34Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Gravity. And there wasnt so much of them. There is a lot more of water elsewhere. Ok great, now we have to work out why the 100s of other coincidences happened in order for life to thrive. To understand if aliens exist we need to understand if maths was already part of reality or is maths something that was created by people. Many say that Maths is God’s universal language that any intelligent living being can understand. The same mathematical rules apply to the entire universe which is interesting. Are maths an entirely human construct or a fundamental feature of reality? If an alien civilisation existed/exists then would they get to a point where they understand that the planet they live on has a numerical value which represents the level of effect of their planets gravity? with this value they will be able to build a vehicle that can break the pull of gravity. Generally I believe that it is and always will be unknown if aliens exist or not. Lets say an alien civilisation has sent us a message and due to the distance the message will take 40,000 years to reach us. Even if we did get the message the civilisation that sent it may be long gone by the time we send them a reply. Even if alien civilisations worked out how to travel at light speed it could still take 100,000 or millions of years to reach us. So if aliens do exist and have visited earth then they have worked out a way to travel hundreds of times faster than the speed of light or they know how to create a portal which allows them to travel millions of light years in a very short space of time. This only confirms the difficulty of communicating with aliens, it doesn’t confirm if they exist or not. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/117 "2023-01-08T07:03:47Z")
The key to tracking aliens in the Universe is easy, finding them is the hard part. If you reverse engineer, the human seed back to the point of when space dust first formed the base of humanity as the Big Bang wave expanded away from the point of the Big Bang, that same region of space where are dust began to form into life, something like a Tardigrade in desiccated form, that same region would also be the point where other life also rooted from. As the roots of life took hold and the space dust spread outwards and deeper into space, life would have interacted with other space dust around it. Planets similar to Earth would have been formed and would have formed a tree of life pattern in space. Some life would have taken hold on planets forming close to the roots while other life, humanity for example, became the very topmost of the tree. Thus, the similarity between trees giving life oxygen would also be the pattern in which life spread from the point of rooting in the Universe. If you cut down a tree, you will see the rings of growth that create upward peaks of growth or in humanities case points at which life took hold in the Universe. The trough between the rings would be the distance between each growth point of an alien civilization from the point of Universal Rooting. The soil or the moment of interaction when life pushed through the dirt from the rooting would also be a very distinct ring of matter in the Universe. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/118 "2023-01-08T07:34:54Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > we need to understand if maths was already part of reality or is maths something that was created by people. There is nothing to understand here, math is language developed by humans. Yes, a language. Galileo Galilei is attributed with the quote, “_Mathematics is the language in which God has written the universe_ .” But that he didnt prove. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/119 "2023-01-09T02:23:19Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There is nothing to understand here, math is language developed by humans. Yes, a language. Not, really. Math must have existed prior to the Big Bang and after the Big Bang as the same math that humans have discovered that relates to atoms and how atoms interact, would have been present, long before humanity even knew what an atom was and how to measure an atom. But then again since the human brain is made from atoms and molecules, then same math that created the human intellect would have been present in the background of the interactions between particles long before humanity fell from the tree of life or rather, the gravitational field was just right that allowed humanity to displace space-time, just like an apple does while falling, to create new life. ---
**Author:** ![LordOdysseus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lordodysseus/32/422627_2.png) [@LordOdysseus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LordOdysseus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235/120 "2023-01-09T09:28:03Z")
> [@Martin\_Cambrio](#): > > While “we don’t know” (yet) would be a better position to start off with. > But adhering to that mentality negates all the reports from all those people ( police, farmers, firemen, pilots, radar operators, ranked soldiers… ) Is OP ready to call that crowd liars? Or did they _all_ see weather balloons? Finally someone mentioning UFOs. What about all those UFO sightings reported throughout history as well? > **[List of reported UFO sightings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings)** > > This is a list of notable reported sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) some of which include related claims of close encounters of the second or third kind or alien abduction. UFOs are generally considered to include any perceived aerial phenomenon that cannot be immediately identified or explained. Upon investigation, most UFOs are identified as known objects or atmospheric phenomena, while a small number remain unexplained. UFOs have been referred to using a range of terms Alth... including: 1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg and 1566 celestial phenomenon over Basel Even NASA has a paper about the UFOs on their website. > **[2007\_Stothers\_st02710y.pdf](https://www.giss.nasa.gov/pubs/docs/2007/2007_Stothers_st02710y.pdf)** > > 307.16 KB > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Galileo Galilei is attributed with the quote, “_Mathematics is the language in which God has written the universe_ .” But that he didnt prove. What about the golden ratio, Nana? Isn’t that mathematical and is the ratio that’s found all across nature? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dispelling-the-hype-over-alien-life/390235.md?page=7)