# Do Angel Cartel ships need updated? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [October 1, 2023, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-angel-cartel-ships-need-updated/422430 "2023-10-01T05:44:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-angel-cartel-ships-need-updated/422430/4 "2023-10-01T11:10:28Z")
> [@Seraph\_IX\_Basarab](#): > > Interceptors are faster with their MWD bonus and the sig reduction overshadows Dramiels. As it should be. The Dramiel on the other hand outguns most Ceptors while not so far behind in speed and agility. > [@Seraph\_IX\_Basarab](#): > > Assault frigs out tank/out dps them. As it should be. The Dramiel can easily outrun them. > [@Seraph\_IX\_Basarab](#): > > Worm, Gila and Rattlesnake basically out perform in their area of specialty far better than the Angel equivalent. Mostly because the hulls of these are simply designed too strong. They overshadow basically _all_ other pirate faction cruisers. The fact that the Gila even outperforms most HACs in the Abyss should be a clear sign that this hull needs a slight nerf in raw power. The only real problem I can identify for the Angel ships is their absurd price tag. In general I think they fit their role nicely, but they are simply too expensive for their performance. What I could support with is giving all of them a “full” set of Drones (aka 5 lights for the Dramiel, 5 medium for the Cyna [check], 5 Heavies/Sentries for the Machariel), they are part Gallente and you’d need the gallente ship skill for them to gain their full power, so one set of Drones isn’t too broken imho. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-angel-cartel-ships-need-updated/422430)._