# Do Any CCP Developers Even Pay Attention To This? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2020, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874 "2020-09-14T10:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/314 "2020-09-17T20:34:58Z")
That’s not a gank. You were killed in lawless space. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/315 "2020-09-17T20:37:01Z")
This is why definitions are important lol. I thought ganking was ambushing. Suicide gank if in hisec because concord. ---
**Author:** ![Elwha\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elwha_lynx/32/246048_2.png) [@Elwha\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elwha_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/316 "2020-09-17T20:38:19Z")
Everything discussed in the OP added coherence, depth and more consistency to the Eve universe. What didn’t make sense is the years before NPCs would somehow get ships but not mine the ore or buy it up on the open market. The game is much richer for those changes. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/317 "2020-09-17T20:50:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And yet they are the primary targets of gankers. Odd that. Then you will immediately stop claiming that ganking is profitable, especially compared to PvE farming. If newbies are the primary target then ganking is a net loss of ISK. > Incorrect. Lolwut? Just where exactly do you think there is risk in PvE, assuming you aren’t hopelessly incompetent? There’s a reason people bot this stuff so frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/319 "2020-09-17T21:07:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No I won’t. More than one thing can be true at the same time. Gankers who gank for profit have easy risk-free gameplay. Gankers who gank for KB stats and tears are the main bulk of the ganking community and predominantly target new players Yes, I know you will continue to move the goalposts and use the two interchangeably. I’m just pointing out your dishonesty for anyone who happens to be reading this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/320 "2020-09-17T21:54:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers who gank for profit have easy risk-free gameplay. Gankers who gank for KB stats and tears are the main bulk of the ganking community and predominantly target new players. Prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/321 "2020-09-18T00:11:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Prove it. Your missing the point. If its even 1 player, its to many. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/322 "2020-09-18T00:20:53Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Phaakia\_Lohngtiem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaakia_lohngtiem/32/230308_2.png) [@Phaakia\_Lohngtiem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaakia_Lohngtiem)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/323 "2020-09-18T04:18:06Z")
> [@Maroosh](#): > > I see people trying to tell ya what is wrong and nobody seems to listen at CCP. Here, lets read a couple of the posts together shall we? “When will these Trivialturds be leaving New Eden?” “Trig invasions are crushing hisec PVE” “Is EvE being purposely sabotaged?” > > So look, I’ve been back and forth from EvE for a long time now. I use to enjoy trading, it was my thing to do. Buy low, sell for a reasonable profit. Now I come back, and the market fees are absolutely bonkers! Heck, lvl 5 everything in trading and I cant even sell things without losing money because others post lower than mine the second I do. Anytime you need to make a modification, A GAZILLION ISK IN BROKERS FEES. Cant even make a profit without sitting on your order for weeks or even months to try to make anything at all, and thats just if you get lucky and nobody undercuts your sells, or overbids your buys. There is no profit anymore and its sad because there was a whole economy that enjoyed doing that. > > Then lets add the idiotic NPCs in the game, the mining fleet NPCs, the pirate fleet NPCs and the triglavian horde NPCs to be specific. The mining fleet NPCs take away from what people who might want to mine. For a few years back now, I’d go to a belt and it would be all mined out, oh but not by human players, oh no, by the NPCs put into the game to take away from the player base yet again. Then you have the triglavian NPCs, I’ve lost hundreds of millions to them and to the NPC pirates that just so happen to jump into your home base area that will just warp in on top of you, scram you and kill you almost instantly. I mean what the actual hell are you all thinking over at CCP? You’re suppose to want to KEEP YOUR PLAYERBASE, not SABOTAGE AND HURT THEM. > > I agree with others, this game use to be fun, it use to be free and open for everyone to come in and enjoy, but not anymore, anymore it is a waste of time because there is NO FUN IN WASTING YOUR TIME! Cant even make a profit trading anymore, really? ITS A VIDEO GAME! Lose your ships and all your profit to Triglavians or pirates even if you do come out with a little scratch. Its a NO NO WIN for anybody. > > You all really need someone who knows what the hell they’re doing at CCP, because obviously you dont at the moment. > > Its very simple to fix > > 1 ) Stop the ignorant NPCs killing you out of nowhere, or even when you do go into a triglavian invasion area, they shouldnt be gate camping you, and there should still be concord involved if its highsec, its just ignorant. There needs to be a clear line of PVE and PVP. People who enjoy doing PVE things, like mining, mission running etc shouldn’t need to look over their shoulder every second in high sec. PVE people like to play PVE because it is relaxing and they dont need to look over their shoulder every second, thats why they like playing PVE. PVP is where those sort of things take place. It seems like you all dont want a PVE environment at all anymore, and thats the problem I see with it. You want to push more stuff for PVP than for anything else. Maybe its for the publicity, but let me tell you, there is no better publicity than word of mouth. Help people to help you. Seperate the PVE and PVP again like it use to be and it should be! > > 1. Cut the ridiculous brokers fees for trading and modifying orders. It costs more than what 1 item is worth just to modify an order. Heck, I wanted to update an ammo order, and it was going to cost like a half a million isk just to modify it. You know how many of those I’d have to sell in order to just make a half million isk? Let alone to start making a profit off of them? > 2. And lastly, let Alpha accounts fly mining barges. There is no reason not to do this. It will get more people playing eve, it will boost the economy, and it will get more premium accounts for EvE, its absolutely absurd that you all havent done this yet. (are those monkeys scratching their heads yet?) > > You want to bring back your game and your economy? This is how. > > Lets hear all the justifications why again. > > Ohhh the bots… ohhh its for your safety. > > Save all the excuses because we’re tired of not getting heard and being trampled on. #SAVE EVE ONLINE 😂 You could’ve done somethings much more creative with your time. Ranting on these forum is like a sword swing in water. ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/324 "2020-09-18T14:30:29Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > The problem is this will never change until ccp wakes up and kicks all of them off the csm for a year or two and fills the entire csm with high sec players, ones advocating removal of suicide ganking and the various types of abuse. you see, im by definaition a “high sec carebear” I never took part in low sec or null sec actions the majority of my gameplay was been in highsec pve. Alot of it in incursions back in the day another fairly large chunk was mining and ship building, primarily battleships for sale at trade hubs. I’ve shot a few people, i’ve lost a few ships in pvp, i’ve also survived a few ganks and otherwise botched pvp encounters. And despite all this i would be strongly against removing the danger and threat of “illegal” pvp, ganks and other sort of baiting and underhanded tricks to force someone into a pvp encounter/loss. Softening up the threat of loss in highsec isnt the answer, but simply removing systems from the “high sec” roster isnt what I would consider a best bet either. But thats happened its old news those wont be returned to how they used to be. But we shouldnt completely water down whats left of highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/325 "2020-09-18T15:22:43Z")
You’re not a carebear. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/326 "2020-09-19T11:42:59Z")
Since when there is a “we” ? It’s just you being unable to adapt because you want easy isk for your bling running mission ship ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/327 "2020-09-19T12:22:15Z")
> [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > It’s just you being unable to adapt because you want easy isk for your bling running mission ship Everyone wants bling. You advocate for invalidating pvers from mission running, but where is the real invalidation of high sec ganking? You cant argue its in mechanics, because you use neutral alts to get all the reward after the illusion of punishment is carried out. Players have formed to try to stop you but that just ends up feeding you more. So there is really no fix to dealing with you guys (out side of simply smacking you in the dirt for years of karma/justice you guys deserve) Im certain that removal of high sec ganking is a good move for eve, and never ever has anyone on this forum provided a legitimate argument to why it should exist. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/328 "2020-09-19T12:34:39Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > provided a legitimate argument to why it should exist. Just because you don’t agree does not make an argument illegitimate. Risk & Destruction are both important things provided by ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/329 "2020-09-19T12:42:24Z")
never use of alt to gank, but please keep blame us for high sec ganking, even though edencom try the same thing…faliing miserably ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/330 "2020-09-19T12:42:26Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Im certain that removal of high sec ganking is a good move for eve, and never ever has anyone on this forum provided a legitimate argument to why it should exist. It’s really cute how you think you have a choice in the matter, like they’ve put it up to a poll or something. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/331 "2020-09-19T12:47:46Z")
![4fjgnx](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/d/3d6281570a2b93f56b1d11ca3cc964260aa4b146.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/332 "2020-09-19T12:53:02Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Risk & Destruction are both important things provided by ganking. Not a legit argument for suicide ganking, because it can be done through other systems that exist, or do not exist in eve at the moment that do not produce the same abuse. So this is not a valid argument for SUICIDE GANKING TLDR : suicide ganking is not the only form of ship loss, iv repeated this 100 times, you can keep spouting this, but it will never validate suicide ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/333 "2020-09-19T12:54:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s really cute how you think you have a choice in the matter, like they’ve put it up to a poll or something. You know, a few years ago i was here advocating for the removal/revamp of wardecs because i was witnessing mass abuse of “station camping”. I was told i was crazy at the time and what i did would break eve, but yet the eligibility system came, and guess what, it was not a bad change (in fact, dear i say it, it was good). So forgive me when i say, that it seems naari 1, you plebs 0 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/334 "2020-09-19T12:54:34Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > So this is not a valid argument Like I said, you don’t get to decide if an argument is valid or not. Despite your delusions of grandeur you are no more important than anyone else here, and likely less important than many. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=15)