# Do Any CCP Developers Even Pay Attention To This? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2020, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874 "2020-09-14T10:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/356 "2020-09-19T20:22:58Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > This makes your argument even weaker! If missions are so easy that even bots can farm them then your claim of “invalidating” mission runners is indisputably false. Or your ability to code proper ai working mobs and design proper mechanics is “even weaker”. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Well yes, because war is only relevant in highsec where CONCORD exists. Who said it has to be that way? I mean, You complain about to much isk but you work out perfectly viable forms of sinks that are applied specifically to the area’s that it needs to be applied? Does that make sense to you? I bet it does. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Then stop lying about wanting to buff wars. You don’t want to buff war, you want to turn it into a voluntary arena combat system. Nope, your totally wrong about this. What we do know is you wanna cruz around eve being the thug you area robbing people blind and doing it in front of the cops with them not saying a word. Cuz in side your a criminal. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Lots, and they’re great for EVE. Idiot freighter pilot put 30 billion in loot into one ship, got it ganked, and rather than admit their own stupidity they ragequit and blamed CCP for not giving them immunity to loss. You mean low sec that has huge potential of making isk for trading? The area of space that you have historically never made valid for anything? The only way it has had people in it is by forcing them to go there because you just simply dont get the other 2 of the three aspects of game design because your a noobus dev’is maximus. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/357 "2020-09-19T20:27:31Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > What the hell does this have to do with your discussion regarding highsec suicide ganking or wardecs? The guy flew his freighter through lowsec. You’ve literally stated that PvP should happen outside of highsec, which this indeed did. Additionally, there was no “salt mining” in the chat. > > This seems like the most tame example of ganking “killing the game”. Actually it is. This killboard was carefully picked so you’d attack that point because its easy to manipulate you lower thinking creatures on the forums. this opens up the way to talking about how low sec has never been a thing in this game, and how its at best a pit stop for caps, or a noob camping aspect of low sec. The only people here that have a slightly legitmate reason is faction war, and that was moved from high sec for some god awful reason when it had immense power to immerse people thrown into a sloppily designed system. This player in question did make a mistake, there is no doubting that, but that is part of the current aspect of eve. I do not agree with low sec gate camping at all. I think guns in low on gates and stations should probably kill just as fast as concord and scram web. This would simulate the safety of high sec and the vastness of null (off gates/station) which would be a good transition between the two. The point is this player should have a perfectly valid and safe trip into low sec from gates and stations, because trade is an option there and a potential income earner for them. It is health for the economy, benefits the null players (by having closer to high sec access) and helps validate a heavily invalidate form of content again (trading). So while i thikn in the current design he rolled the rng “risk vs reward” and lost, h e should not of. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/358 "2020-09-19T20:32:09Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Or your ability to code proper ai working mobs and design proper mechanics is “even weaker”. Could you please stop with the nonsense that I am CCP? It’s obviously stupid and annoying for anyone trying to read this thread. And even if you code “proper AI” people just won’t do any PvE that isn’t farmable with negligible risk. They’ll ignore it and keep farming the easy stuff. > Who said it has to be that way? The fact that “CONCORD won’t shoot you” is only relevant in space where CONCORD exists? Do you really not understand this? > Cuz in side your a criminal. I find it hilarious that you think this is an insult in a game that is explicitly marketed with “be a criminal” as a feature. > You mean low sec that has huge potential of making isk for trading? The area of space that you have historically never made valid for anything? The only way it has had people in it is by forcing them to go there because you just simply dont get the other 2 of the three aspects of game design because your a noobus dev’is maximus. What does any of this word salad have to do with the fact that an idiot freighter pilot earned a 100% avoidable lossmail and then ragequit instead of accepting responsibility for their stupidity? > The point is this player should have a perfectly valid and safe trip into low sec from gates and stations, because trade is an option there and a potential income earner for them. Alternatively, trade in lowsec could be reserved for the people smart and ambitious enough to take advantage under the current mechanics, not handed to lazy and incompetent players like you. The only thing stopping people from traveling through lowsec is their own stupidity, like the guy with the 30 billion ISK freighter lossmail. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/359 "2020-09-19T20:32:14Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/773rd3/freighter_dies_and_pilot_quits_eve/) > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e88e3ec3e597b38f8bfc6df30e66a0b6e06eaba.jpeg) > > ### [r/Eve - Freighter Dies and pilot Quits eve](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/773rd3/freighter_dies_and_pilot_quits_eve/) > > 33 votes and 117 comments so far on Reddit > > And you wonder why your game is dying As was pointed out, not only did that pilot lose his freighter in lowsec not to a suicide gank, he didn’t even actually quit the game and kept playing quite actively, even as recently a few months ago. This idea that losing stuff in a spaceship game about building stuff and losing stuff is some singular cause of people leaving is just a myth. At least, there is no evidence that this drives anymore people away than any other feature of Eve Online. It seems completely reasonable to me that the interactions and risk of crime in highsec provide are more attractive to new players than boring mining and 15 year-old missions. The truth is gamers, no actually people in general, are terrible at knowing what they really want or really like and are worse at communicating that. Non-consensual PvP everywhere is one of the major flavours that makes Eve just so tasty a game, and whether every player is fully aware of it or not, the risk and choice it offers is very appealing on visceral level. While there is always room for refinement, I’d say CCP has done a decent job at keeping that flavour around for so long and this has been a major factor in the longevity of the game. You don’t go messing with a recipe that works you get some disaster like New Coke: [New Coke - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke) I suggest you stick to brewing up your new games in your bathtub at home Noori. If you keep tossing stuff in and stirring really hard making 3-5 batches a week, you might hit on a winner as popular as Eve Online some day if you keep at it! It seems a better strategy than your current one of trying to change an existing successful game owned by someone else through the magic of forum posting. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/361 "2020-09-19T20:42:29Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > His ridiculous claim of being a lvl 5 telepath is far more believable than his claim of being a dev. TBH I can believe it. Download a generic porn game engine, copy/paste in some stock assets in different combinations, and it’s not like anyone playing these “games” is in a sober state of mind or really caring about quality. I can definitely imagine him making 3-5 of these per week, and it would very neatly explain why he refuses to admit what games he has made. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/362 "2020-09-19T20:44:54Z")
Ah you mean the interactive erotica you can get on steam. I think most people who are even vaguely competent with a pc can knock one out quickly. Pun intended. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/363 "2020-09-19T21:22:40Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > really caring about quality. let me know when you manage to put some in eve ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/364 "2020-09-19T21:29:08Z")
A lot of words to say that you didn’t notice the KM was lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/366 "2020-09-19T22:07:31Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > I suggest you stick to brewing up your new games in your bathtub at home Noori. If you keep tossing stuff in and stirring really hard making 3-5 batches a week, you might hit on a winner as popular as Eve Online some day if you keep at it! It seems a better strategy than your current one of trying to change an existing successful game owned by someone else through the magic of forum posting. That applies to almost everybody posting in this thread as well as these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/367 "2020-09-19T22:13:25Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > That applies to almost everybody posting in this thread as well as these forums Most other people on these forums aren’t posting laughably bad lies about how they’re “professional game developers” and promising that their new game is going to kill EVE. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/368 "2020-09-19T22:19:19Z")
Oh, like you and your cohorts constantly dogging everybody to play this game your way. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/369 "2020-09-19T22:20:10Z")
Let’s not forget that most posters aren’t infamous for exploiting new players and promoting their borderline eugenics propaganda/books in corp chat for RL profit either. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/371 "2020-09-19T22:22:45Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Nuuri keeps playing a game he claims to hate? Link to me where i ever said i hate eve. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/372 "2020-09-19T22:23:39Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Link to me where i ever said i hate eve. > [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > > really caring about quality. > > let me know when you manage to put some in eve You claim that EVE has no quality, but you still play it. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/373 "2020-09-19T22:24:47Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You claim that EVE has no quality, but you still play it. > [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Link to me where i ever said i hate eve. ^ This ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/374 "2020-09-19T22:25:58Z")
Hiding behind “bUt I dIDn’t LiTeRAllY sAy ThE WoRd ‘HAtE’ LoLOLOLoLOLlOLl”, the last resort of someone who knows they have no valid argument to offer. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/375 "2020-09-19T22:27:30Z")
So not only are you bad at game development or recognizing what your place base is, your a liar? got it. your credibility has been critically struck. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/377 "2020-09-19T22:31:44Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > your credibility has been critically struck. Even if @Merin_Ryskin had negative credibility it would still be infinitely greater than yours. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/378 "2020-09-19T22:31:51Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Bold words for someone who got kicked from his corp for spamming links to buy his pseudo-Nazi rape fanfic. I have no idea what this is in reference to but as a Sephardic jew, i will tell you this is highly offensive. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/380 "2020-09-19T22:36:51Z")
The above poster is way out of line. @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode, this thread needs some serious moderation. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=17)