# Do Any CCP Developers Even Pay Attention To This? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2020, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874 "2020-09-14T10:32:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/69 "2020-09-15T19:43:10Z")
> [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > Ask CCP what the plan is with the Trig Invasion. Honestly, the whole plan. As in, what is CCP’s goal here. I have, they have, I cannot tell you until they tell you. We, the CSM, are still trying to get them to modify the plan. > [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > Part two of the above: what is their in-game goal? This one can have a lot of answers but the best that i have seen is that Eve is not a game but a living space simulator. They want it to be a living thing where it is not just players shooting red squares. As such there is npc traffic, miners, factions. Did you see the article about a dev finding two npc groups fighting by themselves? > [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > Ask them if the collapse of CalMil was planned and if they say no I can ask but I will lay even money that they will say that it was an ‘unintended consequence’ and yeah, fighting Trigs for the Caldaris was rough. Me? I lost a base in Sakento. But fair question. Have othe rfaction warfare systems for other races also been lost? m ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/70 "2020-09-15T19:45:04Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > We, the CSM, are still trying to get them to modify the plan. That’s… ominous. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/71 "2020-09-15T19:50:19Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Did you see the article about a dev finding two npc groups fighting by themselves? great ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/72 "2020-09-15T19:50:48Z")
ah, I see . . . okay that one I will put int he book m ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/73 "2020-09-15T19:51:28Z")
We have NPCs that pod, NPCs that gate camp. How long before we have NPC Noctis that loot and salvage battlefields? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/74 "2020-09-15T19:52:13Z")
and npcs to call the minmatar trash on local ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/75 "2020-09-15T19:52:48Z")
More Kruul in local!! We should get random NPC fleet invites and convo requests, too. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/76 "2020-09-15T19:54:15Z")
> [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > Having the trigs take some of those Null systems would be a fantastic start. The Null sec alliances could dust off their shiny caps that have been sitting there collecting dust, bring them out, lose them to trigs, and create incredible demand for supply. In addition, supply routes would be disrupted from the source, and access to precious ores restricted. Seems like a great idea but yet, here we are… The only problem with this line of thinking is that null-seccers aren’t in the habit of _collectively_ stupidly losing assets like high-seccers are. They’re not just going to throw out a bunch of ships to “help out” the economy. They’re going to figure out a way to game the system to get the maximum benefit with the smallest possible expenditure. You won’t be able to make them take involuntary losses short of deleting said ships from their hangars. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > The issue with that was the 0.01 isk bots that were proliferating, surely you ran into them in the before times There are ways of addressing this; CCP is just dumb. For example, they could make it so that the more you undercut the lowest order(s), the smaller your broker/relisting fees become. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > We, the CSM, are still trying to get them to modify the plan. This makes me 100% want CCP to implement their plans without CSM input being taken into consideration. If the CSM is against it, then it **has** to be fun and exciting. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/77 "2020-09-15T19:55:46Z")
The CSM was unanimously against Metaliminal Storms, so we’ll find out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/78 "2020-09-15T19:58:12Z")
And blackout. And everything else that interferes with bot-farming 0.0 space to pay off their real-life mortgages. #DefundTheCSM ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/79 "2020-09-15T19:59:51Z")
Nope, I like them. I think they are a cool additon. so we will not be unanimous on that one m ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/80 "2020-09-15T20:00:58Z")
Then what was that CSM letter about? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/81 "2020-09-15T20:01:46Z")
> [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > Curious to know how you would explain the massive middle finger CalMil got from CCP in Ichoriya, given that a great deal people use FW as a jumping off point to learning the ropes of PVP, and given that a great deal of new players choose Caldari. You seem to have the answers so I’m all ears (or eyes I guess…). CCP is shaking up Eve. This was telegraphed loud and clear by management last year. Maybe this link is a good written summary if you don’t want to watch the CCP interviews and presentations on YouTube: > **[EVE Online will one day be sentient, its developers told me during a nude hot...](https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-will-one-day-be-sentient-its-developers-told-me-during-a-nude-hot-tub-session/)** > > My strange journey to the EVE fan convention held in some random player's house. But to your question, Faction Warfare has bigger problems than the Triglavians. The whole thing needs plenty of work, but the Invasion isn’t there to do that. It is to shake people out of their ruts, apply some pressure and make room for things to happen. Old systems, dynamics and groups will be strained or even break, but that makes room for new growth. That is all bigger than “CalMil”. Once things settle, new things can happen and while I don’t know CCP’s super secret plans, redrawing the map via this Invasion is just step one of new things coming. Maybe that is a revamp of Faction War, or a replacement, but it is definitely due for some love. > [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > The main problem is that we the players are completely in the dark about what’s going on and what is motivating CCP with these changes. I get the secrecy, but in this context it simply does not work. For every solid point that someone comes up with to justify the trig invasion, a solid counterpoint exists. We aren’t in the dark. Look at the link above, or the blogs posted by CCP Ratatti and the ecosystem team. Like this one: > **[The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook)** > > The state of EVE’s ecosystem and plans for the future. The economy is unhealthy. Changes have been made and will continue to be made to try to improve this. CCP have powers only dreamt of by economists and governments to influence the economy, and while they obviously have to keep us somewhat in the dark to what is coming, they have been amazingly clear as of late as to the motivations. > [@Corporal\_Punishment08](#): > > If you have some source I am unaware of, I would love to read it. Linked above. Or if you do have the time, maybe give this a watch: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/94f9ab2c990ecd20d7eca957ca66d5915f940f92.jpeg "Fanfest Home - Fireside chat with CCP Hellmar and CCP Burger") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnedCMtTvcM) But really, this upheaval is almost over. The Invasion is wrapping up and the map of New Eden will settle down. The Trigs will have a permanent presence, and whatever new content CCP is planning will have a place to live in this new Trig space. This Invasion already has, and will continue to offer new opportunities and content for old and new players alike. New Eden hasn’t been this alive in a decade and it promises to only get better. Let’s finish with an ancient quote from a CCP dev: > EVE is a dark and harsh world, you’re supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you’re not supposed to feel like you’re logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that’s what hello kitty online is for. - CCP Wrangler ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/82 "2020-09-15T20:04:29Z")
IF you are referring to the letter about not messing with the war? Yeah, this is a random thing added in but as it is random it is (hopefully) not ccp with its thumb on the scale tipping the balance. I am sure there are some null folks who will disagree with me on this and they should be happy that they have some reps on the council as well. (Just a few) > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > #DefundTheCSM now you’ve done it, they are talking about slashing my wages in half. m ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/83 "2020-09-15T20:07:09Z")
Homer: “So Lenny, how much does this job pay?” Lenny: “Nothing” Homer: “D’OH!” Lenny: “Unless you’re crooked” Homer: “WOOHOOO!” ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/84 "2020-09-15T20:08:17Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > New Eden hasn’t been this alive in a decade and it promises to only get better. Let’s finish with an ancient quote from a CCP dev: > > > EVE is a dark and harsh world, you’re supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you’re not supposed to feel like you’re logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that’s what hello kitty online is for. - CCP Wrangler Unfortunately, Hello Kitty Online shut down permanently a few years ago. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/85 "2020-09-15T20:09:38Z")
But Eve Echos just opened! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/86 "2020-09-15T20:10:28Z")
Right, but I’d like at least a _little bit_ of PvP in my MMO. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/87 "2020-09-15T20:19:11Z")
It is funny how the miners in Eve mostly want to play a solo game - they go to nullsec primarily to avoid having any interaction with the other players. You have to wonder . . . why would they want to play an MMO? Eve Echoes is probably just what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Corporal\_Punishment08](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corporal_punishment08/32/190221_2.png) [@Corporal\_Punishment08](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corporal_Punishment08)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874/88 "2020-09-15T20:21:20Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > But fair question. Have othe rfaction warfare systems for other races also been lost? The thing with Ichoriya is complicated. 1. Ichoriya was our staging system, and the jumping off point/rallying point. Newbros were able to get accustomed to entering low sec from here into Akidagi (as I began), get comfortable with the area, then slowly begin to learn the ropes from there. Now that Ichoriya is gone, CalMil has scattered throughout, as there is really no equivalent system for these purposes. FW being what it is, Ichoriya was crucial to the entire Faction. 2. CalMil dug in and fought hard, as we were led to believe was the correct move. After we lost, most CalMil was, obviously, hugely negative to trigs, so picking up and moving on was… well, the killboard speaks for itself. 3. The above caused a great many people to leave CalMil out of frustration or hopelessness. 4. I do believe other Factions were hit by trigs, but a number of factors contributed to those factions suffering far far less. Someone else would need to chime in on that, but the main issue was that the invasion happened so quickly and Caldari ships were useless (which is of course what every CalMil had trained up for). But, from what I’ve heard, I don’t believe other Factions lost anything of significance. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-any-ccp-developers-even-pay-attention-to-this/266874.md?page=5)