# Do problem players have any responsibility to change their own behavior? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 6, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981 "2017-11-06T20:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/162 "2017-11-09T17:32:51Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > would expect you to agree with at least some of my points? Yeahhh, no one can trudge through your posts long enough to elucidate any point. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/163 "2017-11-09T17:34:10Z")
i can. you lack the attention span to read it all? that’s too bad. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/164 "2017-11-09T17:34:32Z")
I am sorry I am not as concise as you but given the choice between too many words expressing some content and very few words expressing no content I chose the former try it some time ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/165 "2017-11-09T17:42:21Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > …who had all been donating a fair bit too, very toxic… Exactly…charity is so damn toxic. /sarcasm We have things like B4R as well. Just another example of the horrible toxic community. And how are these players when they meet up in person? Are they raging assholes 24/7? I am going to make a crazy batshit insane guess and say, “No.” Are there assholes among the tens of thousands of EVE subscribers? Yeah, probably. But doing things to the game to correct for this minority that also has a negative impact on everyone else that is not an asshole, is probably not a good idea. It is like kicking your cat when your dog craps in the living room. > [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > If we are all sociopaths where are the examples, if that is all, I am happy eve is a much less toxic place than most games I have played and certainly most real life workplaces/schools etc. Indeed, there should be examples aplenty…we should be able to find them quickly. Producing links, videos, etc. should be trivial. > [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > Based on comments in this thread I would expect to be inundated with scores of complaints about harassment and bullying, with no action taken and the community shouting HTFU. > > Where are they? At 164 posts in I am going go way out and go batshit crazy again: they do not exist in a large quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/166 "2017-11-09T17:46:44Z")
Yes this thread has run its course It seems we can be quite confident that when bullying and harassment takes place in game it can be dealt with, and is as long as people report it. We can also feel confidant that non-consensual pvp in a pvp sandbox is not itself bullying as the arguments put forward by the most vocal expounders of this position do not hold up to even their own sustained scrutiny. We can also assume that bullying and harassment is not widespread, as even after over 160 posts no one has provided any evidence of this, that was not dealt with by either just CCP, or CCP and the community. So we must thank the OP for helping us lay this myth to rest. GG OP. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/167 "2017-11-09T17:48:48Z")
> [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](#): > > So we must thank the OP for helping us lay this myth to rest. > > GG OP. I see what you did there…🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/168 "2017-11-09T17:50:07Z")
Well people who use circular arguments and rely on straw men tend to find this thing happens to them a lot, still satisfying though. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/169 "2017-11-09T18:22:36Z")
I do have very little patience for people who can’t seem to use the English language to clearly communicate their thoughts. You know this about me, Yellow! How’s the job hunt going? ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/170 "2017-11-09T18:32:41Z")
@discobot fortune 🙏 ---
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/discobot/32/99_2.png) [@discobot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/171 "2017-11-09T18:32:43Z")
> 🔮 Outlook not so good ---
**Author:** ![Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/patti_potato_patrouette/32/18901_2.png) [@Patti\_Potato\_Patrouette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Patti_Potato_Patrouette)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/172 "2017-11-09T20:00:35Z")
don’t confuse clarity with simplicity though some things cant be said in zingy one liners but still need saying ---
**Author:** ![Pookie\_McPook](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pookie_mcpook/32/289877_2.png) [@Pookie\_McPook](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pookie_McPook)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/173 "2017-11-09T20:25:42Z")
_ **Do problem players have any responsibility to change their own behavior?** _ They have a responsibility to themselves to change if that is what they want to do. There is no requirement to change just because they don’t fit in with the moral majority’s point of view. Other than that if you are a “victim” of perceived antisocial behaviour I’ve always found logging on with an alt until they get bored and move on to someone else usually works. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/174 "2017-11-10T07:15:13Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > I do have very little patience for people who can’t seem to use the English language to clearly communicate their thoughts. Dunning-Kruger. I’ve read your post history. Patti and yellow are both very articulate and analytical posters. If nothing else, they provide content. Your post history is short insulting quips that speak to a marked lack of social/communication skills, and an inability to express yourself without attacking the person rather than discussing the topic at hand. You are not nearly as smart, or as capable in the English language as you seem to think. Your post history is proof positive of that. What you are explaining as “as very little patience”, is in reality your own short attention span and difficulty in comprehending complex arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/175 "2017-11-10T08:14:18Z")
Is short term bullying ok? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/176 "2017-11-10T08:41:24Z")
Excuse me for jumping in on this thread, but I had the impression that a major part of the fun in this game is screwing over the wannabe bullies and slapheads, but maybe that is just me? I also have the impression that many can dish it out, but cannot take it… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/177 "2017-11-10T09:38:14Z")
Tell us Drac, do you consider bumping bullying? Also wreck EHP, is wreck EHP bullying? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/178 "2017-11-10T10:08:23Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Tell us Drac, do you consider bumping bullying? No! Piss poor mechanics though… > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Also wreck EHP, is wreck EHP bullying? No! But eye opening speed at changing things when hisec gankers were impacted by people coming in with small fast ships which you could not defend against, you failed a lot at stopping them, was fun, while it lasted… The destruction of emergent gameplay and all that… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/179 "2017-11-10T10:24:53Z")
Let it out man, I’m sure it helps. Do you think it is unfair that the Goonswarm/CODE. used their CSM representatives to influence CCP to change the wreck EHP and block the 3min bumping timer? Is it the main reason why ag completely fails every day continuously without a break or are there other issues? Tell us how you feel. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/180 "2017-11-10T10:30:45Z")
Ima Wreckyou, the psychotherapist. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981/181 "2017-11-10T10:31:35Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Let it out man, I’m sure it helps. > > Do you think it is unfair that the Goonswarm/CODE. used their CSM representatives to influence CCP to change the wreck EHP and block the 3min bumping timer? Is it the main reason why ag completely fails every day continuously without a break or are there other issues? > > Tell us how you feel. My dear CODE troll, this is a thread about bullying, not about naff mechanics and meta gaming advantage, I answered your troll questions once for fun, but you are an especially boring slaphead… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-problem-players-have-any-responsibility-to-change-their-own-behavior/36981.md?page=10)