# Do you think eves population is declining or incresing and why **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935 "2024-03-05T22:20:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/221 "2024-06-16T14:22:35Z")
> [@hambogen](#): > > So since windows 7 access being close how many dropped off after that and how many others that have abandoned windows as a whole couldn’t be bothered with Linux and the mess / new education to figure it out how to even get up and running. > > i know there will be those stout loyal crusaders preaching for windows upgrades and scary viruses , "insert’ ( CLICK ON DUMB THINGS GET VIRUS ) no actual operating system but anyway keep the copulas scared, i digress. > > So what impact has this had realistically ? or as usual over the years with ccp nothing to see here and no records were found, genuine tin foil hatters thoughts please. > > cheers Hambo, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I can pretty much guarantee that Whinedoze 7 and Linux have nothing to do with EvE players. This particular tin foil hat issue is completely irrelevant to this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/222 "2024-06-16T15:55:30Z")
Well, today EVE’s population is declining… ---
**Author:** ![Kenzore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenzore/32/423356_2.png) [@Kenzore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenzore)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/223 "2024-06-16T21:19:31Z")
Launcher hit 35k today It feels like it was less last month. ---
**Author:** ![Holly\_Blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holly_blade/32/424299_2.png) [@Holly\_Blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Holly_Blade)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/224 "2024-06-17T12:17:14Z")
It is on the decline. Why? Because MMORPG players are getting older and when a game like this is balance around mutiboxing and does not offer great combat. (old man game what my nephew called it lol.) it is going have a hard time getting new people. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/225 "2024-06-17T14:23:02Z")
> [@Holly\_Blade](#): > > and does not offer great combat It’s up to you to create the great combat. It wont be handed to you on a plate. My 3 main chars have 1100 kills between them ( and just 20 losses ) , an increasing number of which are solo kills. I’m having a great time. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/226 "2024-06-17T14:37:55Z")
Do you ever, ever change the record? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/227 "2024-06-17T15:16:49Z")
Nope. Bite me. ---
**Author:** ![Holly\_Blade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holly_blade/32/424299_2.png) [@Holly\_Blade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Holly_Blade)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/228 "2024-06-17T16:19:23Z")
Sure, but there are so many other options out, and to me eve sandbox nature is its pull not really the combat. Getting new blood into this game is really hard with all the options out now. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/229 "2024-06-17T18:36:55Z")
You’ve barely been in the game 6 weeks, and a lot of stuff that doesn’t make sense at that stage makes perfect sense as further time goes by. You’ve only to look at my comments over 2.5 years on this forum to see how one’s perspective changes entirely as one grasps the game more. I was once a very timid carebear who never travelled more than 4 or 5 systems from Vittenyn, and who hated gankers. These days I travel all over Eve and have done ganking myself, and suspect chasing, and structure bashing, and quite a few large battles. Spacetramp thinks I am ‘bragging’…but you really _have_ to have utter faith in yourself, and maybe even an over-inflated sense of destiny, to survive in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/230 "2024-06-17T19:34:09Z")
While the above is pretty accurate, it doesn’t address the original criticism and actually reinforces it. Holly says it’s hard to get new people interested, and Altara responds with Eve doesn’t seem interesting because you’re new. There’s also the assumption that combat is great if you win without addressing the actual combat mechanics or describing why they’re good or why they could appeal to someone who was new. It doesn’t counter the image Holly’s nephew put forth that Eve is a game for old men, and not appealing to the newer generations. If I were Holly, I’d take this response about the same way I’d take being ignored since I would feel like what I actually said wasn’t given due consideration. Take this statement the way someone who’s yet to play Eve would. Someone tells you that 5 to 6 weeks in is not enough time to make the game fun, and that the amount of commitment and effort to put in considerably exceeds this. Just how long would you want to futz with a new game before it becomes fun? It’s great that Altara puts herself out there as an example of a success story, but is this even remotely indicative of the average player’s willingness to deal with a game putting its worst foot forward at the start of their career and leaving it in their face for over a month? I doubt it. People need to be describing in no uncertain terms how to do fun and exciting things in Eve well before the one month mark and how to get involved in those things. Where to go, and who to talk to. People need to tear down this image that Eve is a game only for veterans if they want Eve to appeal to players who aren’t veterans. Offering platitudes will only go so far if the substance of the complaint goes unaddressed. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/231 "2024-06-17T19:39:09Z")
I fail to see where the newer generation of gamers having the patience and attention span of a toddler on crack is somehow our problem. If you’re the “gotta have it now for no effort” type of player, EVE is not the game for you. Simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/232 "2024-06-17T19:46:03Z")
EVEs population is increasing. can we close this thread? @ISD_Traindriver ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/233 "2024-06-17T19:47:03Z")
Almost hit 40k yesterday. Would have if it hadn’t crashed. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/234 "2024-06-17T19:49:31Z")
Yeah, weird how a free give-away event combined with free Omega time will do that. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/235 "2024-06-17T19:51:41Z")
Free Omega or not, in EVE’s 21 year history, we’ve never had more than 60k-65k player at it’s peak. EVE is a niche game, and is never going to have WoW login numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/236 "2024-06-17T20:01:35Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > While the above is pretty accurate, it doesn’t address the original criticism and actually reinforces it. Holly says it’s hard to get new people interested, and Altara responds with Eve doesn’t seem interesting because you’re new. Er…no…that is not what I responded with. The game _did_ seem interesting when I was new, but the perspective on the game and the things that interest change over time. Noobs have a certain perspective on the game _because_ they are noobs. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > There’s also the assumption that combat is great if you win without addressing the actual combat mechanics or describing why they’re good or why they could appeal to someone who was new. It doesn’t counter the image Holly’s nephew put forth that Eve is a game for old men, and not appealing to the newer generations. Lol…we have no idea if the anecdotal ‘nephew’ ever even played the game or for how long. Anecdotal nephews are not exactly a prime source of reliable info on the game. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Someone tells you that 5 to 6 weeks in is not enough time to make the game fun No, that is not what I actually said. It’s just another example of words being twisted. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > It’s great that Altara puts herself out there as an example of a success story, but is this even remotely indicative of the average player’s willingness to deal with a game putting its worst foot forward at the start of their career and leaving it in their face for over a month? I doubt it. Given that I started off as _the_ most cautious carebear in the game, and was mocked right here on this forum by Gix stating I never went more than 4 systems from Vittenyn…my argument is more of a case of ’ If _I_ can succeed in the game…_anyone_ can '. Far from putting myself forward as anyone exceptional I’m in fact saying _this is the real experience of the average player_…its just that the forum lacks all those average players as they are mostly too busy playing rather than whining. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/237 "2024-06-17T20:07:52Z")
EVE was much more fun decades ago when all you got was being placed in the middle of nowhere in a pod with a slap on your ass and a “good luck out there”. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/238 "2024-06-17T20:11:06Z")
Yes…but I can’t help but think how much better the game would thrive today if gnarled old bittervets stopped poisoning the well. ---
**Author:** ![Isarzay\_Audier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isarzay_audier/32/421775_2.png) [@Isarzay\_Audier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isarzay_Audier)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/239 "2024-06-29T20:07:25Z")
100% its not gaining any new people , we just get people re subbing accounts at this point and with how bad the updates are going and ■■■■ state pvp is in less will keep doing it over the years. Eve is really not respecting peoples time anymore ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/240 "2024-07-06T19:15:19Z")
its basiclly the same now I do not know but I think thats almost ecatly what they do now the tutorial is just ■■■■ barely prepares your for anything you have to leran almost everythin on your own the only thing it does do start you off in highsec [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935.md?page=13)