# Do you think eves population is declining or incresing and why **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935 "2024-03-05T22:20:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/121 "2024-05-12T13:20:11Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > is a kind of pve Remote repairing them would be even more kind of PvE. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Secundus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_secundus/32/474896_2.png) [@Darth\_Secundus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Secundus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/122 "2024-05-21T14:33:36Z")
Whatever CCPs focus is on, it’s not what made Eve great. Micro transactions and a FPS nobody is interested in seems to be what CCP wants to pursue

hence why we’ve all noticed players on less and less, and using less of their alts. New ownership is certainly going to finish killing the game, they’ll just squeeze us for every cent they can before they do. ---
**Author:** ![Cloe\_Farseer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cloe_farseer/32/420828_2.png) [@Cloe\_Farseer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cloe_Farseer)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/123 "2024-05-21T14:38:31Z")
@milkyway_miner I hope that EvE’s population increases with more considerate and friendly players and hopefully they will have a positive impact on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Andres\_Talas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andres_talas/32/420871_2.png) [@Andres\_Talas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andres_Talas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/124 "2024-05-23T07:18:15Z")
> [@Kaj\_A\_Beardhat](#): > > That is the problem, we used to have a ‘natural’ multiboxer limiter in the game in the form of training time where you’d have to train new accounts for months before they could pay for themselves, Untrue. In 2007, we used a character bazaar, where you could buy yourself a character, using isk you got selling Game Time Cards you bought for cash. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/125 "2024-05-23T07:50:16Z")
That would had been a time when not many Capsuleers trusted to use a credit card online. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/126 "2024-05-23T14:13:35Z")
Eh
 not to my recollection. That’d be more like 1997. By 2007, we had the whole e-commerce thing worked out, and online credit transactions were long past the point of being something new or sketchy (e.g., I spent over $3500 on Amazon that year). ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/127 "2024-05-23T16:18:45Z")
Its has been declining for years and being mitigated with fake active players counts, multiboxing, botting
 etc. How do I know? I monitor the money flowing in trade hubs and have been highly involved in Amarr and now Jita economics for many years and have been, first hand, there to see it change. Eve is a great game but im not here to pander. Im here to help the Devs get a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Kaj\_A\_Beardhat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaj_a_beardhat/32/449367_2.png) [@Kaj\_A\_Beardhat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaj_A_Beardhat)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/128 "2024-05-24T11:18:51Z")
The character bazaar still required those characters to sit for months/years training, you weren’t injecting skillpoints directly from CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/129 "2024-05-24T13:34:17Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > So in a sandbox game advertised as “players can choose their own path from countless options”, the only _real_ way to play is to PvP considering that PvP means Player versus Player, and thus competition
then the answer is a resounding yes! If i had just 1 ISK for each player that i ran across that complained loudly about a rock being theirs, or an anom, etc
and then bitched and moaned for hours in local when they got told
well you are not blue(part of my tribe/group), especially if they got ganked
i would have enough ISK to plex free play all my accounts for years. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/130 "2024-05-24T15:12:08Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > If i had just 1 ISK for each player that i ran across that complained loudly about a rock being theirs, or an anom, etc
and then bitched and moaned for hours in local when they got told
well you are not blue(part of my tribe/group), especially if they got ganked
i would have enough ISK to plex free play all my accounts for years. I don’t think there’s _that_ many players in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/131 "2024-05-24T15:16:11Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > considering that PvP means Player versus Player, and thus competition
then the answer is a resounding yes! This is a foolish stance that some thoughtless players keep repeating. Probably because they heard someone else say it and thought it sounded real tough and edgy. If “all competition is PvP”, then pretty much all games are all PvP all the time: since players are generally competing for drops or highest gear or good sales on market or other resources. So “PvP” becomes meaningless. PvP is players engaged in combat with other players. Competition is competition, it can be for anything. Including shiny ribbons given out for the first person to log in each day. It’s not PvP. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > If i had just 1 ISK for each player that i ran across that complained loudly about a rock being theirs, or an anom, etc
and then bitched and moaned for hours in local when they got told
well you are not blue(part of my tribe/group), especially if they got ganked
i would have enough ISK to plex free play all my accounts for years. Your activity says you’d have maybe a hundred ISK or so. Plex must have gotten pretty cheap lately. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/132 "2024-05-24T16:55:00Z")
15 yrs playing the game
you would be surprised how many players I have actually come across in game
or you might not. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/133 "2024-05-24T16:58:53Z")
Apologies, Max. I didn’t think of it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/134 "2024-05-24T17:08:13Z")
actually you are wrong
 You are wrong because of EvE’s destruction mechanics. Look at Star Trek Online, World of Warcraft, FF14
 What do all 3 of those have in common
 I will tell you, it is all you have to do is play and wait, or swipe your card for loot boxes or what not over and over again
your stuff is never destroyed, it just keeps accumulating, even when another player blows you up or kills you. Now in EvE, things die, and need to be replaced via PvE activity. Loot drops most of the year round are 50%, and the ship hulls disappear. This creates a Life Cycle. It also creates the reason for being competitive, fiscally or by resource control. Now as to this
 > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Your activity says you’d have maybe a hundred ISK or so. Plex must have gotten pretty cheap lately. This character has been my public face for years now, and has always been the one i use on the forums. As I am a 15yr vet however, you would be stupid to go by this characters’ Killboard. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Plex must have gotten pretty cheap lately. Actually it is, even now. I have yet to run across anyone that can do what i do the way i do it and play for free. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/135 "2024-05-24T17:10:14Z")
no problem 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/136 "2024-05-24T17:50:50Z")
I returned after about half a year and I noticed few things: - number of players online is much higher than it as around July last year - Jita is about 500 maybe 700 players higher than it used to be even in December I think - Amarr is also about 100 higher than it used to be, other tradehubs have same player counts as they used to last year - however I don’t see actual increase of ships out there in space, not in Jita or anywhere (high/low/null, hard to speculate about wh, but I was hacking in 4 different whs and nobody attaked me nor did I see anyone in dscan other than other explorers in t1 frigates, didn’t visit pochven yet) - other than Caldari, the highsec is a wasteland, of course, I didn’t visit every region, but numbers of players moving between Minmatar and Amarr space is lower than it was last year Still probably too early to me to make judgements, but it doesn’t really feel like the numbers are real. One obvious explanation for lack of these players in space is that these extra players are just alt accounts being multiboxed
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**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/137 "2024-05-24T20:31:54Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > One obvious explanation for lack of these players in space is that these extra players are just alt accounts being multiboxed
 I don’t play much these days, but the few times I’m jumping anywhere I usually do a starmap check of “Pilots in space last 30 minutes” and sometimes Ships/Pods killed. I’ve also noticed that these numbers have generally stayed the same or gone down, especially in previously active systems like some High/Low border gates. Not the ganker/travel route/bottleneck ones as I generally don’t travel there, but ones bordering mission areas for instance. So ‘number online’ is up compared to last year. There was a solid spike in logins after the Nov.2023 “free Omega days” giveaway, and it’s trended down from there but CCP has held on to quite a few extra players with the various things they’ve been doing this year. Kudos on those efforts to CCP, even if I personally don’t see the attraction of most of them. But at least they’re trying. That said, I’ve just been assuming all the extra logins must be in areas I don’t venture into much. FW changes? Pochven? Null? Who knows. They can’t _all_ be sitting AFK in NPC stations
 I hope! ---
**Author:** ![Kaj\_A\_Beardhat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaj_a_beardhat/32/449367_2.png) [@Kaj\_A\_Beardhat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaj_A_Beardhat)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2024, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/138 "2024-05-25T07:34:10Z")
If you go into active FW areas you’ll find a ton of algos fleets camping plexes Also lets not forget that much of CCPs modern design is to get people to log in on multiple characters for 15 minutes a day for their daily login rewards and 10k SP, not actually playing the game sadly. Many of them are probably alpha accounts being prepped for multiboxing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/139 "2024-05-25T20:16:26Z")
đŸ„± “Eve Is Dying” thread #98,253,487,652,147,455,983. Can we stop these yet? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935/140 "2024-05-25T20:35:01Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Still probably too early to me to make judgements, but it doesn’t really feel like the numbers are real. One obvious explanation for lack of these players in space is that these extra players are just alt accounts being multiboxed
 It’s odd how when the player count goes _down_ that is always regarded as real and Chicken Little dashes about with ‘the sky is falling down’
yet when the player count goes _up_ that is somehow regarded as not real and just the result of alts and Chicken Little is equally dashing about with ‘the sky is falling down’. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-think-eves-population-is-declining-or-incresing-and-why/441935.md?page=8)