# Do you want more protection from people in highsec, or less? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 29, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176 "2018-12-29T11:45:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/312 "2019-01-05T22:39:39Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Well this is only your personal opinion…it’s not valid at all… Eve stands for “Everyone versus Everyone”. PVP is the core concept of EVE, and even CCP tells you that you consent to PVP when you click “Undock”. If youre not having fun in EVE because of PVP, then this may not be the game for you. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/313 "2019-01-05T22:57:42Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Eve stands for “Everyone versus Everyone”. No. No it doesn’t. It is a proper noun, not an acronym. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/314 "2019-01-05T23:23:25Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > No. No it doesn’t. It is a proper noun, not an acronym. Not officially, but its what weve come to call it because it best represents what EVE is. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/315 "2019-01-05T23:29:26Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Not officially, but its what weve come to call it because it best represents what EVE is Unless you’ve been unanimously elected to speak for this nebulous “We” you are claiming to speak for, then no. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/316 "2019-01-05T23:47:08Z")
I believe you will find that CCP themselves use it, and have done so in dev blogs AMD such at times. Trying to deny that everyone vs everyone is a part of Eve currently is just silly. Focus attention on places where the mechanic is clearly loaded or only gives fun in one direction and we all end up with a better game. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/317 "2019-01-06T00:10:16Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > It will and it has to…just wait a couple of months… A time frame. If, in a couple of months, wars still happen along with ganking, will you then go away? > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Maybe i’m a PA employee who’s job it is to prepare the PVP players for the coming changes? What like guild wars and karma? Funny thing is, it’s kinda like that already. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/318 "2019-01-06T03:29:59Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Eve stands for “Everyone versus Everyone”. PVP is the core concept of EVE, and even CCP tells you that you consent to PVP when you click “Undock”. It’s not 2003 anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/319 "2019-01-06T04:00:02Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Unless you’ve been unanimously elected to speak for this nebulous “We” you are claiming to speak for, then no. “We”, does not mean “Everyone”. Learn the English language before you criticize others about the use of a word. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/320 "2019-01-06T04:01:00Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > It’s not 2003 anymore… CCP wrote how you consent to PVP when you click Undock, in 2016 i believe. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/321 "2019-01-06T04:03:22Z")
Never mind, it was 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/322 "2019-01-06T05:26:32Z")
Oh, i care a lot you know, i’m about to be lectured on the internet because i’ve been a naughty boy, that’s scary bouhou… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/323 "2019-01-06T08:54:33Z")
Just so everyone knows the obvious, PvP is not going away from highsec and the whole CSM stands behind that. Brisc underlined that on the roundtable. Again, nothing new. You can listen to it on commander aze’s twitch, of which i don’t have a link handy. Search for it yourself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/324 "2019-01-06T09:06:29Z")
https://player.twitch.tv/?video=v359370735&autoplay=false ---
**Author:** ![mama\_guru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mama_guru/32/87032_2.png) [@mama\_guru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mama_guru)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/325 "2019-01-06T10:44:04Z")
It’s either whales or carebears, I’ve been here since 2004 and honestly EVE might be the first ever MMO to be killed by it’s own community if CCP litsens to people like the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/326 "2019-01-06T13:39:13Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Just so everyone knows the obvious, PvP is not going away from highsec and the whole CSM stands behind that. Brisc underlined that on the roundtable. Again, nothing new. You can listen to it on commander aze’s twitch, of which i don’t have a link handy. Search for it yourself. CSM aka “we as the big allies only elect our members into csm so no other voice will be heard” has no interest in cutting of PVP… This “round table” stands in a lexicon as example beside the word “blender”… Next to the word “propagand effort”… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/327 "2019-01-06T13:40:50Z")
> [@mama\_guru](#): > > It’s either whales or carebears, I’ve been here since 2004 and honestly EVE might be the first ever MMO to be killed by it’s own community if CCP litsens to people like the OP. So you think slowly dying off due to player loss because of not listening to this community is any solution at all? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/328 "2019-01-06T14:59:27Z")
I just had a damn good Sunday lunch in France, lots of wine and cheese, so my reply here might be tinted with a certain amount of alcohol. I listened to the round table before heading to this lunch. And I made comments in the CSM thread subject to the stupid editing restrictions that Falcon has applied to either me or the forum. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Just so everyone knows the obvious, PvP is not going away from highsec and the whole CSM stands behind that. Brisc underlined that on the roundtable. Again, nothing new. This is a good example, we the fascists as he calls us already know that, he is stating that because it is news to him, seriously… After listening to the PIRAT guy I heard a suggestive voice whispering to me that perhaps it was a good idea at this point to dump the whole war dec system completely, WTF! ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/329 "2019-01-06T16:02:52Z")
You’re hilariously broken. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/330 "2019-01-06T16:03:53Z")
Carebears actually are the group with the biggest whales, but hey … you obviously know better, so why not share some of your knowledge and insights? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/331 "2019-01-06T16:27:36Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Carebears actually are the group with the biggest whales, but hey … you obviously know better, so why not share some of your knowledge and insights? 🙂 This is what i’m talking about…hear them or be doomed… A continued sticking on the 2003 dogma would be the complete wrong way for this game… But you can repeat and repeat this…the “all is good as it is” dogmatists will not listen…their world is in order whatever happens around them as long as we still have 2003… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176.md?page=17)