# Do you want more protection from people in highsec, or less? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 29, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176 "2018-12-29T11:45:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/440 "2019-01-09T19:44:55Z")
There is no way they are hauling billions though. Fill the trucks full of gold bars and lets see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/441 "2019-01-09T22:43:54Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > So in short CODE, regardless of how they twist their logic, is destroying items on purpose to generate real money for CCP. Aww ■■■■ and I didn’t have my tinfoil hat on!! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/442 "2019-01-09T22:44:32Z")
Fuel. Road tax. Licence fees. Labour costs. And it takes days to transport goods across the tenth of the map. Add all that to eve and you may get something of an economy. It’d make a ■■■■ game, but it might have an economy. ---
**Author:** ![Sovereign\_Citizen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sovereign_citizen/32/111790_2.png) [@Sovereign\_Citizen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sovereign_Citizen)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/443 "2019-01-09T22:56:56Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > There is no way they are hauling billions though. Try trillions mate. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/444 "2019-01-09T23:08:06Z")
The point was that most trucks aren’t worth being robbed, and those that are usually are, are tanked and/or being escorted. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/445 "2019-01-09T23:13:19Z")
Escorts actually work in real life though. Criminals don’t get a 15 minute time out and get let to do it again after that. In this case appeals to reality clearly don’t apply. ---
**Author:** ![Sovereign\_Citizen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sovereign_citizen/32/111790_2.png) [@Sovereign\_Citizen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sovereign_Citizen)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/446 "2019-01-09T23:17:38Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > The point was that most trucks aren’t worth being robbed, and those that are usually are, are tanked and/or being escorted. Completely false. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Harrowmont](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_harrowmont/32/153117_2.png) [@Lord\_Harrowmont](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Harrowmont)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/447 "2019-01-09T23:44:49Z")
Leave it as it is. Works fine now. The rest is people whining they lost a hauler ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/448 "2019-01-09T23:48:47Z")
Let us not bicker and argue about who ganked who… ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/449 "2019-01-10T02:20:17Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Escorts actually work in real life though. And you believe escorts don’t work in the game… why? I ask, because they do. Want to learn how that works? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/450 "2019-01-10T02:46:38Z")
Yes, because Escorts are such an effective deterrent against freighter bumping… ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/451 "2019-01-10T03:11:04Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Yes, because Escorts are such an effective deterrent against freighter bumping… actually they are! its just the type of escort that matters ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/452 "2019-01-10T03:43:40Z")
While it might in theory be possible for escorts to ‘work’, they don’t work in a functional & practical manner. They didn’t work in Null when freighter convoys were required due to no Jump Freighters, and that was an environment where you could treat everyone in system as hostile and shoot first to clear your path. Imagine the outcry if Null went back to that. We saw a mere fraction of it when JF range was proposed to be reduced to 5LY instead of 10 which would have then caused escorts to be needed and gate travel for logistics, and the crying over that was insane. So why do we keep pretending that it’s good for highsec. The three primary reasons they don’t work in game are the need for a twitch response due to Concord timer being so short, the tedium involved in doing it for days and days while the ganker only needs to be alert when they press the button, and in the costs involved in escorting, opportunity cost says escorts are an utter waste of money. Basically, escorting makes for really bad gameplay, and as such we should be trying to get away from bad tedium inducing systems, not forcing more of it on people. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/453 "2019-01-10T04:49:30Z")
In Hisec, using webs to insta-warp a freighter before a bumper can make contact makes it very hard to catch. In this case at least, an escort can make a pretty big difference. A bonus side effect is skipping that horrible align time that would otherwise lengthen the trip. I know I’m happy for any time I can shave off of having to pilot a freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/454 "2019-01-10T06:10:18Z")
Yes, I know you can use webs to insta-warp a freighter. That’s not really an “escort” because they can’t do much to deter bumping or any other kind of attack. But I guess insofar as the combat mechanics in EVE goes, that’s as good as it gets. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/515703_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/455 "2019-01-10T06:45:24Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > that’s as good as it gets. incorrect, you can go even further beyond ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/456 "2019-01-10T06:51:44Z")
I don’t think it’s that a player escort can do nothing to deter an attack, but that it is relatively hard for a player escort to do as well as CONCORD will unfailingly do. I think webbing is probably the most effective highsec strategy, but flying a bunch of reps, or counter bumping are feasible options available if players want to field a defensive escort of some type and don’t find webbing to their taste. There are probably other options I haven’t thought of. Unless we decide to permit criminals to be in space to shoot for more than the length of time it takes to get a gank done, they’re not going to be available to shoot outside of that window. I remember a player, I don’t recall who, asking to forgo his CONCORD protection voluntarily to be a free for all target, but without FacPo harassment that comes with low sec status. Essentially he wanted a 24/7 suspect flag. That, to me, is the kind of player who could be potential content for would be white knights or escorts, but his words met with little traction. I think there should be some range where a player is a free for all target without having to sustain constant harassment by NPCs doing what could have been player content. I would prefer, probably, to delete FacPo entirely, but even a small sec status window for players who want to pursue this kind of lifestyle would be a drastic improvement for those willing few, and I don’t think it would have much impact on anyone else. I would like to throw the criminals a bone, for the sake of making things interesting for highsec vigilantes and security forces. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/457 "2019-01-10T09:06:23Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > That’s not really an “escort” The webber escorts him. He’s the escort. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/458 "2019-01-10T12:22:29Z")
> [@Sovereign\_Citizen](#): > > Like in real life? EvE isn’t real life. Stop being stupid for comparing EvE with RL. ---
**Author:** ![Berger\_Luckmann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/berger_luckmann/32/91667_2.png) [@Berger\_Luckmann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Berger_Luckmann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-you-want-more-protection-from-people-in-highsec-or-less/130176/459 "2019-01-10T12:37:44Z")
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