# Doctor Who event **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 4, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252 "2022-01-04T15:02:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/884 "2022-01-13T21:03:43Z")
> [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > If you put a pile of dog-shite into an empty rafaello box the contents are not gonna smell or taste like the actual sweets. Even though it says “rafaello” on the box. > “Have it working within confines of lore” - don’t you find this phrase to be way too complicated? Politics and corrupt media speak that way. And yea, this is exactly how lore is usually broken. Not by just throwing it away all of a sudden - “We don’t care. The new Amarr Empress is Daenerys Targaryen.” - but rather by stitching nonsense to underdeveloped parts of established lore with the threads of vague technobabble or evasive political tongue. Put the tin foil away bruv 😃 Also they own the IP. They retconn whatever they want. Welcome to reality 😃 > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > This event explains nothing about BPCs, industry, modules, ship handling and anything else. That’s all done by career agents. If people want to figure things out on their own, they don’t have to run the career agents. For all other people, the CA are the best introduction to EVE that has ever existed and will ever exist because they actually teach you all the things you need to know about EVE. Yes. Let the hate flow thru you 😃 It is delicious. > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > Hell, it was is all so obvious from the start. Just look at these two degenerates on the left and right. Their looks, their poses, the background - of all of it just screams “k-pop”, those mass-produced clips with identically tutored boys and girls that are usually played without sound (thank god) on LG TV sets in electronic retail stores. Oof that racism. If you knew anything you’d know their clothes are done in the mod style, popular in the UK since Dr Who is yennoe British. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Neither this event nor the new NPE does anything like this. All they do is give people a flashy experience without context or guidance. Yes. Strike them down with your hate 😃 > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > you summed up the entire past week since we heard about this event. > > So many folks are so adamant to be game devs but don’t have the guts to apply to CCP, to “make the game how they want it”. but the problem is so many people have their “views” for how EVE should be, that they don’t even let the devs create THEIR own game. There’s always going to be something that one area of the community is going to hate, or several communities are going to hate, or love… when you have a game that is 17 years old, it happens… devs aren’t perfect, and nobody on this forum or reddit is perfect either… Easier to tear down than build. Also, no matter what changes are made, there has to be compromise somewhere. Most people can’t set aside the bias for their own preferred playstyle 😃 > [@Gildii\_Auscent](#): > > If people just keep yelling “change bad”, devs either just give up or start ignoring the community and then noone wins You speak the truth! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/885 "2022-01-13T21:20:04Z")
Ah yes. Buying the scarf meow 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/886 "2022-01-13T21:51:18Z")
> [@Gildii\_Auscent](#): > > Because you have to admit that even if current CA is best in your opinion, it lacks a lot of information - how not to die to lancers, what’s up with edencom vs trigs and why did they shoot me all of a sudden, what is this 90% of the content you don’t hear about with current level of the experience. What has anything to do with Career Agents or introduction to EVE? What has "not dying to lancers to do with introduction to EVE’s mechanics and features? They are red, if you shoot them, they shoot back. That’s what the CA and NPE tells you already. (fun fact: the previous NPC made you shoot and kill Lancer like ships with Noob Ships. Talk about idiotic CCP design. 😃 ): If it’s red, it will shoot you and you should stay away. More detailed and intriguing aspects of the lancers (eg. that they will follow you around you’ll figure out if you give in to your curiosity. And that’s a good thing. Why should the game explain this to you? What the game could do instead, and this would be actually helpful to newbies (in contrast to your handholding approach), is to show a couple of information tooltips once you attacked those lancers which tell you that they will follow you around, they will attack you if you get too close the wormholes in Unidentified Wormhole sites and so on. This would allow people to discover the game by themselves and experiment and when they discover “important” aspects of the game, the game supports them with information. What about Edencom vs. Trigs? That has nothing to do with introductions at all. What do you even want to tell newbies with regards to those? That they should just go to Poochven in a long range ship with a TP, tag a rogue drone, wait for it to die, and then ignore literally everything related to the content because they now have positive standing to both sides? Is that what you want the game to tell newbies because that is exactly what it is about in high sec and low sec. Or do you want the game to tell them how Edencom systems are worthless and all the action happens in Poochven because CCP completely trashed Edencom and only focuses on Poochven? And what about the 90% content that people are supposed to miss out on? What content isn’t covered by the CA? Poochven is just combat in complexes against NPCs. That’s covered by the Military CA. Abyssal space? You have the T0 filaments for introduction and since this is not a beginner thing but a more advanced activity, you have enough time to read up on those things and actually profoundly inform yourself with videos. Wormholes? They are supposed to be unknown and unexplored. CCP even turned off data gathering for j-space so that people have a harder time dealing with it. Why should every little bit about how to get in there, how to navigate there, how to rat/explore there be explained? Have you ever heard of Discovery and Exploration? What content is missing from the CA that absolutely needs to be explained there? > [@Gildii\_Auscent](#): > > but it’s 21st century and people no longer want to sit and read thorugh a book to understand a game And that is the problem. thank you for correcting your own statement that EVE shouldn’t be an arcade. You now said that EVE needs to be an arcade because people can’t be bothered to read the plentifully available information about literally every aspect of the game. And that is provided in detailed form and maintained by the players and not by CCP. > [@Gildii\_Auscent](#): > > Oh yeah, and if anything, we should be leaving as much constructive criticism as possible for the devs in order to see what they did right and wrong and build upon that, adapt, change, plug the holes I don’t know if you had a look at the last at least 5 or 6 releases from CCP but all of them were riddled with bugs, rush-released onto TQ despite known significant flaws reported by the community in the 2 alpha test phase and contained in several instances removals of features that the community had to fight for to get them back (like proper and detailed information in the new skill catalogue). If expecting CCP to properly develop their game’s features is considered whining and toxic behavior, what else are we supposed to do? Just accept that CCP removes features and be blissfully ignorant about it like Geo Eclipse or Aisha? ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gildii\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gildii_auscent/32/513914_2.png) [@Gildii\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gildii_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/887 "2022-01-13T22:14:21Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > They are red, if you shoot them, they shoot back. yeah, and if you shoot too much of them, you get -5 standing and are shot on sight without a mechanic to get that back. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > You now said that EVE needs to be an arcade because people can’t be bothered to read the plentifully available information about literally every aspect of the game. And that is provided in detailed form and maintained by the players and not by CCP. You are getting into your own bubble. I am not saying that it should be an arcade. Nothing about the mechanics of this game is arcade as it is a grindfest. I am not saying tell newbies about everything, but let them know what is out there so they are not stuck in a venture mininig veldspar cause the CA touches very briefly on what you can do about other things. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > And what about the 90% content that people are supposed to miss out on? Escalations of sites and the whole aspect of combat exploration, ice/gas harvesting as something existing outside of ore mining, lancers as you said, the curious npcs that can screw you over and make it so you will forever be shot in any kspace, riveting gameplay for sure. Factional warfare, the possibility of being an industrialist and having your own planets, how to properly do market without being scammed by other players into selling your stuff in a newbie system to buy orders that lowball you out of items, especially during events. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Have you ever heard of Discovery and Exploration? yes, the beautiful exploration and having basically nothing said to you in the game, so you go and quit. I know you would do it 100 times over, but an average player is not you. I said it before, I will say it again - making some more infomative intro t oa game is good because you let your community grow. A lot of players will finish CA and quit out of boredom or just lack of any guidance, so player retention should be a focus heavier than just the intro to the game taht was redone. But nooooo, you think it’s becoming an arcade, even though nothing else changes other than newbies having more fun to do and more activities being presented to them, or HINTED so they can go and DISCOVER and EXPLORE them. I used to teach people about explo and WH explo in a newbie corp. It was taking a long preparation and it was only the do’s and don’ts so they can survive and then go discover the rest. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > don’t know if you had a look at the last at least 5 or 6 releases from CCP but all of them were riddled with bugs, rush-released onto TQ despite known significant flaws reported by the community in the 2 alpha test phase and contained in several instances removals of features that the community had to fight for to get them back yeah, so people gave feedback and it was added back. I still don’t like the new skilling interface, but I don’t sit and yell “bring old back, don’t add anything to the game” - if anything, you need to go and point out the errors and go help them make stuff better for both parties. As for content, I think they should do 2 releases a year, the 4 quadrant thing is ambitious as hell, but yes, I see it is rushed a lot and should take more testing. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Or do you want the game to tell them how Edencom systems are worthless and all the action happens in Poochven because CCP completely trashed Edencom and only focuses on Poochven? There should be a thing that catches them up on the lore of those fights and just letting them know that they will just immediately get shot if they do nothing about trigs, because if I were to start the game and just get screwed over by them, it would just be a bad experience. And as much as I would love to have that whole thing finished, because I think that more content should have been added around trigs vs edencom, you are just throwing salt all around, just because you don’t see the use in ganking ships in edencom systems, cause they have armor bonuses ---
**Author:** ![Branka\_Adovic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/branka_adovic/32/369238_2.png) [@Branka\_Adovic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Branka_Adovic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/888 "2022-01-13T22:17:39Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Also they own the IP. They retconn whatever they want. So what? Am I not allowed to voice my displeasure of what they want? > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oof that racism. If you knew anything you’d know their clothes are done in the mod style, popular in the UK since Dr Who is yennoe British. You watched “The Gentlemen” movie? I don’t call them degenerates out of my racial or national preferences. I view them as such out of mere personal perspective - these characters’ ever-presense on the forum background and in the launcher compiled with their out-of-eve-universe looks (be it british, mongolian or klingon) have been hurting my eyes long enough for me to grow to hate them personally. That is why I use deragotory term personally in their address. Associating them with k-pop is different matter, separate from them being degenerates. **If you knew anything** you’d know that k-pop stars are not actually dressed in ethnic korean costumes, but rather in something popular, usually heavily influenced by western culture. British included. And yes, I am well aware that Dr. Who is a british show, thank you very much, captain Obvious. “Koreans” meme picture is only there to illustrate the irony towards korean gamedev school, which has its right to be, but until recently wasn’t influencing EVE all that much. And doesn’t involve any negative feelings against korean people or culture. You, however, have just tried to falsely accuse my of racism because as any consiously-ignorant forum demahogue (I’ve already noticed that you are, gleefully enjoying this shitstorm for itself and trying to make it personal with people), you are trying to tie together what is just written closely but is separate by sense. And I don’t take what comes from people of your kind seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/889 "2022-01-13T22:42:55Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > alk about idiotic CCP design. Yes. Let the hate flow and cause you to forget what paragraphs are. It is _delicious_ 😃 > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > that EVE needs to be an arcade because people can’t be bothered to read the plentifully available information about literally every aspect of the game. Most don’t and then cry to daddy CCP to nerf things 😃 People on this very forum has said they shouldn’t have to read anything and info is hard to find about a game thats been out for almost 20 years. It isn’t CCP bruv. It’s us 😃 > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > So what? Am I not allowed to voice my displeasure of what they want? You certainly can. And you can also certainly be critized for crying moar 😃 Welcome to freedom 😃 > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > “Koreans” meme picture is only there to illustrate the irony Sure it is bruv. Sure it is. It’s just a joke right? One rooted in racism. > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > That is why I use deragotory term personally in their address. And yet you then associated their look and that hate with a race of people. Lets face it bruv, you made a racist joke and got called out on it and now are trying to squirm your way out of it. > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > And I don’t take what comes from people of your kind seriously. Oh? Whose people? > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > You, however, have just tried to falsely accuse my of racism It ain’t false. You made a racist joke. > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > **If you knew anything** you’d know that k-pop stars are not actually dressed in ethnic korean costumes, but rather in something popular, usually heavily influenced by western culture. Oof. The racism again 😃 What era do you think South Korea is in right now? The 1400s? Its funny how you are so centered in the Western mindset that you think we are influencing them and not the other way around. LOL guess you don’t know which country is pushing dark/tech wear more huh? LOL at the ethnic clothing. Could you be any more obviously racist? Are Koreans supposed to always go around in traditional garb in 2022? ROFL. Never mind the fact that no one in modern Korea wears that outside of special religious or cultural events. Nah bro. You’re racist and you put it on display. And imagine, all it took was a scarf to get you to display the absolute cancer of a person you are 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/890 "2022-01-13T22:53:52Z")
> [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > thank you very much, captain Obvious. @Gix_Firebrand Captain already? When did you manage to get promoted? > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Never mind the fact that no one in modern Korea wears that outside of special religious or cultural events. I wore a Cossack uniform to my high-tech finance job interview and still got hired, _but for all the wrong reasons._ ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/f/0fcbf2f39811881011da379dfc2a7d6ef6881a59.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![alazarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alazarr/32/480001_2.png) [@alazarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/alazarr)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/891 "2022-01-13T22:58:42Z")
What A pile of garbage they said it took a year to put this together more like two weeks what a disgrace. you had yo use mines as components because in a year you couldn’t come with anything original and you couldn’t even make them different colors WTF what a waste you people are ---
**Author:** ![alazarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alazarr/32/480001_2.png) [@alazarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/alazarr)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/892 "2022-01-13T22:59:45Z")
Garbage what a waste of time ---
**Author:** ![Branka\_Adovic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/branka_adovic/32/369238_2.png) [@Branka\_Adovic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Branka_Adovic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/894 "2022-01-13T23:05:30Z")
I’ve said all I wanted to you. Your stubborn pressure on your own logical falacies speaks for itself. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oh? Whose people? Demahogues and forum trolls. The people whose presense is counter-productive for communication between developers and people voicing their criticism. As all they want is to enjoy useless verbal shenanigans. Begone now. Bzzzz. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/895 "2022-01-13T23:16:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > @Gix_Firebrand Captain already? When did you manage to get promoted? I am now a Dr Captain. > [@alazarr](#): > > What A pile of garbage they said it took a year to put this together more like two weeks what a disgrace. you had yo use mines as components because in a year you couldn’t come with anything original and you couldn’t even make them different colors WTF what a waste you people are Yes. Let the hate flow thru you 😃 > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > I’ve said all I wanted to you. Your stubborn pressure on your own logical falacies speaks for itself. LOL nice dodging of all the points 😃 > [@Branka\_Adovic](#): > > Demahogues and forum trolls. The people whose presense is counter-productive for communication between developers and people voicing their criticism. As all they want is to enjoy useless verbal shenanigans. Begone now. Bzzzz. Interesting that you use labels as a way to discredit but can’t counterpoint 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Branka\_Adovic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/branka_adovic/32/369238_2.png) [@Branka\_Adovic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Branka_Adovic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/896 "2022-01-13T23:22:29Z")
Told ya, not taking you seriously. I’ve explained all I needed to, and I’m not gonna get focused on the points you handpick. We’re not in discussion, pal. Bzzz 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/897 "2022-01-13T23:45:29Z")
Ah yes. Nice deflection 😃 No worries bruv. You already exposed yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/898 "2022-01-13T23:46:51Z")
Yeah. I honestly thing folks forget how utterly unintuitive Eve is the first time you log in. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/899 "2022-01-14T05:01:00Z")
> [@Killjoy\_cmdrkj](#): > > For this being a newbie friendly event it sure feels really hard to get into requiring indy (which no other event has required) and a ton of materials to make such crap? Agree 100%. Finding the High Sec Hacking sites and opening the cans is rather easy. However getting all the materials to build the first key isn’t easy. The Agency Hacking Tasks are easily completed with the first site even though all the materials to build the first key haven’t been obtained. The Agency then instructs players to use the Market to buy and sell some of the items from the Hacking sites. However due to needing large quantities of various materials to build that key, players have to speed a lot of ISK to buy everything that’s needed to build it. New players don’t have a lot of ISK to do that and can’t progress any further in the event until the Market tasks are completed. The amount of materials needed to manufacture the event keys should be vastly reduced. I only did one Hacking site which completed the Agency Hacking Tasks which had 7 cans = 1 Large, 2 Medium and 4 Small. Out of those cans I got 2x Curious Warp Matrix Filament BPC’s, 15x Strange Matter Component Y-73 (1 of 5 different Material types needed to build Filament), 51x Peculiar Data Collection (NPC buy orders @10,000 ISK), an assortment of T1 Salvage Materials and Metal Scraps. I bought all the other materials to build the filament and am now going to use it and continue with the event. While the Hacking site graphics do look great, the code for it probably needs to be optimized because it was very laggy, I had to zoom way out just to complete the mini hacking game. So far in my opinion this is not a New Player friendly event. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/900 "2022-01-14T05:23:43Z")
You can just sell 1 item and buy 1 item rather cheaply and the quest parameters are satisfied you know ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/901 "2022-01-14T05:25:13Z")
I know that but needed to buy all the mats in order to manufacture the Filament. ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/902 "2022-01-14T05:28:02Z")
Fair enough it’s just you were complaining new players wouldn’t be able to progress is all . Also give it a day or two and I’m sure most of the materials will be cheap as anything as more flood the market. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/903 "2022-01-14T05:29:54Z")
I wasn’t complaining, it was my opinion due to experience. In order to progress on the Agency tasks and gain points, the Hacking sites don’t give all the mats required to make the Filament. Plus the amount of materials required is too much… ---
**Author:** ![Aida\_Aragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aida_aragon/32/298293_2.png) [@Aida\_Aragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aida_Aragon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252/904 "2022-01-14T05:37:26Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The Agency then instructs players to use the Market to buy and sell some of the items from the Hacking sites. > > … > > New players don’t have a lot of ISK to do that and can’t progress any further in the event until the Market tasks are completed. Given what you said here I must have misunderstood your point [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/doctor-who-event/344252.md?page=38)