# Does Eve have an "over-fishing" problem? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641 "2021-06-17T20:13:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/121 "2021-06-19T09:28:00Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > He’s talking about his Orca omg OK never mind. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/122 "2021-06-19T10:21:40Z")
> [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](#): > > omg OK never mind. My mistake. 🤣 What did you think he was talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/123 "2021-06-19T12:17:40Z")
I really like your Pilots name Could we become friends? … get it? Fishing for Friendships! ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/124 "2021-06-19T12:45:00Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > What did you think he was talking about? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/0/e/50eed9595bd262ae98150439e208c0c693a4968d.gif "Kirsten Dunst Reaction GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/125 "2021-06-19T12:49:48Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > … get it? Fishing for Friendships! What do you use for bait? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/126 "2021-06-19T13:18:07Z")
I am in way over my head but I would use a Venture! ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/127 "2021-06-19T13:25:25Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > He’s talking about his Orca @Iceacid_Frostpacker How big is your orca? 🥸 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/128 "2021-06-19T13:42:51Z")
(Orca) is Maggie and she is _beefy_? We gone full circle now? Back to beefy! _Or quite chewy?_ ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/129 "2021-06-19T14:00:54Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > How big is your orca? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/b/55b4fefe142e89f8e8db50f4296bff087705dc90.gif "Happy Big Brother GIF by MOODMAN - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/130 "2021-06-19T14:20:16Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I am in way over my head but I would use a Venture! Venture is not “juicy” enough. Only loosers blow up Ventures anyway. May I suggest a battlecruiser with a nice Skin and 100mil worth of BPs in cargo? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/131 "2021-06-19T15:31:37Z")
What if this particular Venture in question contained a hull full of Cinnamon Toast Crunch? ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/132 "2021-06-19T16:09:30Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Cinnamon Toast Crunch? Well, in that case it would definitely be bait for me! And now I have to go out to the store to get some because of you and I have to hurry because it closes in an hour! Why O why did you have to mention cinnamon? ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/133 "2021-06-19T17:01:20Z")
@Ivanka_Omanid I’m sure there’s over-fishing sometimes in some constellations but I doubt it affects the whole of New Eden. 20-30K players every day isn’t so poor that capsuleers can’t find anyone to blow up. Maybe there are less and less Whales and that doesn’t surprise me. There have been many websites describing what happens to Whales in EVE and these forum are full of cautionary tales aimed at would-be Whales. Maybe the new players are now more informed about the dangers that await Whales and Credit-Card warriors, maybe the new players are a little more savvy about what awaits them and are more warry and alert than their counterparts from a few years ago. And maybe there isn’t an over-fishing problem at all. Maybe that guy in the video you watched just felt like a few minutes of complaining or was trying to express a deeper intangible feeling associated with player count and retention. Can you post the link of the episode in question? I’m curious to see it and gauge what that guy was trying to say exactly and what response he got from the person he was talking to. Take care o7 ---
**Author:** ![Ivanka\_Omanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivanka_omanid/32/266156_2.png) [@Ivanka\_Omanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivanka_Omanid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/134 "2021-06-19T19:10:24Z")
Thank you very insightful and thoughtful response. I suppose that is another posibility, that the ecosystem has evolved and the whales wise up and “shrink” to survive (like the dinasour). Also with scarcity there is abundant food anymore. This is the video in question [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/e/8/2e8cd170290935fc43499061318ad9248311cf2f.jpeg "New black ops") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuxxze7hNA) ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/135 "2021-06-19T19:46:33Z")
> [@Ivanka\_Omanid](#): > > This is the video in question ❤ Thank you so much! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/136 "2021-06-20T10:15:29Z")
I think one problem in EVE that can cause overfishing is Abyssals. People who want to avoid being in the fishing grounds can run their PvE in instanced areas from high sec systems, safe from all the fishing that may happen elsewhere. Without Abyssals, if people want to do PvE they have to be in space. With Abyssals, those people can avoid being in space. For that reason, Abyssals and instanced PvE is bad for the fishing equilibrium in EVE. Sure, the Abyssal trace those players leave behind is an opportunity for fishing. But if that trace can be created in high sec just as easily as in other parts of space, and if the player coming out of that trace requires a suicide gank to be killed in high sec, this doesn’t help fishing elsewhere in the game. My suggestion: - Higher tier Abyssal sites turn players suspect. With that simple change, it wouldn’t be better to run those sites in high sec than it would be to run them elsewhere in the universe. And it wouldn’t require a suicide gank to kill the instanced PvE ship either. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/137 "2021-06-20T10:24:35Z")
why not just remove the instanced stuff ? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/138 "2021-06-20T10:31:00Z")
At this point, removing the instanced stuff would be a waste of the development time that went into creating those Abyssals. Also, Abyssal sites are pretty interesting as a more complex form of PvE with higher risks that you cannot just throw more or bigger ships at to trivialise it. If I get some more suited skills I still intend to try it out. Abyssal sites aren’t bad for the game. I just think the Abyssal sites should be less disconnected from the rest of the universe. And making people suspect who come out of those instances is a step in the right direction, because right now there’s not a lot stopping players from all doing their abyssal sites in Jita. When those players exit their trace as a suspect, the choice to run those sites in high sec is no more tempting than running those sites elsewhere in the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/139 "2021-06-20T10:48:50Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Abyssal sites aren’t bad for the game. I am not that sure as I believe it takes players out of the sandbox. And being able to start these things from highsec is even worse. I don’t say those are not fun. But yeah I look at them from the piranha swarm point of view. We need lots of fish to stay healthy. and many of us died already. ---
**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641/140 "2021-06-20T10:51:58Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > I am not that sure as I believe it takes players out of the sandbox. And being able to start these things from highsec is even worse. At least by flagging T4+ abyssal runners as suspect you put them back into the sandbox as prey in a different way that’s open to everyone, and easily spotted via local. I agree that instancing high-value PVP was a big mistake, but it’s unlikely for CCP to remove it now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/does-eve-have-an-over-fishing-problem/316641.md?page=8)