# Don't expect any new or returning players to stay for more than 10 days **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 1, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982 "2020-05-01T22:49:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Trudeaux\_Margaret](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trudeaux_margaret/32/245591_2.png) [@Trudeaux\_Margaret](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trudeaux_Margaret)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/21 "2020-05-02T00:36:13Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > But now i have to pay money just to be able to wait for my skills to train up. I HAVE TO PAY MONEY, TO WAIT. I’m so confused. You started this ranting and raving with the following: > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > After a couple of years long break, i decided to come back to play the game on a new account, > you know fresh start and previous account was stuck in nullsec within a war etc. You have an older character which presumably is decently skilled up, but you made the conscious decision to start a new one anyway. And now you’re complaining that the new character will take time to train? Also your reason for abandoning the old character is odd, since you can easily set your medical clone to your high sec system of origination, and self-destruct back. ---
**Author:** ![Kyra\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyra_lee/32/250080_2.png) [@Kyra\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyra_Lee)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/22 "2020-05-02T00:43:01Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > Mining on anomalies: Orcas and retrievers scoop them up constantly. Mining on regular asteroid belts requires me to warp away, jump in a cruiser i don’t have and can’t even fly and kill 5 trig frigates. The go mine somewhere else. Out in Kador region I see those ore anomalies up for days with no one mining in them, they eventually despawn. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > Ratting, too little pay off, let alone the extremely long time and effort it takes with a half trained destroyer. Not fun at all. Belt ratting hasn’t paid off since about 08. Go run some missions in your T1 frig while your skills train, if you can fly a cruiser you should be able to fly through those. The SOE arc is also a good way to get some isk and standings. It was meant to be done by new players. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > To solve all above problems, i have to wait like 15 days, not able to do anything but wait. Or i can pay up real money, just to wait 7 days, effectively paying money to wait 7 days, then enjoy the game. this game has always been like that since inception. Hell, I remember when you had to train your training skills so you could train your other skills faster. There will always be something for you to train for and something out of your reach. That is part of the motivation of this game. A poster above gave you some excellent advice about joining their mission running corp. That sounds like a great way to get some help in the game, have time to train your skills, and even earn some isk while doing all of that. In fact that is one of the first things I did in 06 when I started. I was flying a poorly fit Rifter with a corp mate running level 4s in his battleship. This is an MMO, find some friends to play with. It will make your experience so much better. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/23 "2020-05-02T01:00:19Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > An user error, by the way, would be something like dipping my cellphone into water, with intent. In this case, i have to delete a .dll file from the game folder. Learn your vocabulary please. Wikipedia definition: A **user error** is an error made by the human user of a complex system, usually a computer system, in interacting with it. It makes no difference if it is intentional or not. If the problem is the user and not the System or specific software the user who is using then it is a “user error”. And as I said before, reading your little rant it must be you making mistakes. Since other people seem to be doing just fine. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > Explo won’t make you money, trading won’t make you money, mining won’t make you money. All these things can make you money… even early on in the game, surely not at the same level as somebody with more wealth, experience and also skillpoints, but any new player can make more money than they can reasonably spend (If they do it correctly). And I am just going to ignore the rest of your reply, since i cba to help people with a shitty attitude, I rather use the time to explain things to people who are actually interested in learning. ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/24 "2020-05-02T01:00:51Z")
This is one MMO that I never would understand starting over with. There are some games where the progression is important. not to mention you can grind back up quickly if you wanted. EVE not so much. Progression is just not the same. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/25 "2020-05-02T01:08:09Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > i’m putting out constructive criticism Um, no. You came here complaining, blaming everything but yourself for things not going your way. We call this forum whining, and many of the regular forum users have little tolerance for it. Well, no one likes a complainer, the difference is that Eve players won’t secretly judge you -they’ll do it openly. Now, with that out of the way. Eve isn’t the most accessible game (which you should already know). You could try to figure it out on your own, but progress will be slow and painful. Or, you could try to make your life easier by tapping into the player base’s collective knowledge. You could watch youtube videos, read articles, join a corp that will share fits and guides, and so on. Yes, this will require some upfront effort, but it will pay dividends over the long term. If you have questions on what are some of the best ways to make money, or how to deal with a particular challenge, ask. We’ll gladly help. Just don’t expect any sympathy if all you’re going to do is complain. You won’t find that here. Also, if you have a bunch of SP on your main, you should probably play on him. You could either make your money out in null, or you could leave that corp so that you don’t have to deal with constant war decs in HS (fyi, you can no longer declare war against any corp/alliance that doesn’t have a structure). ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/26 "2020-05-02T01:10:38Z")
OP= [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/d/3da67bbf61a434fb63d7b1c4cc000971782e0abb.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/q1wfBm3) not constructive anything, just whingeing. You have a terrible attitude and blame everything and everyone but yourself for the slightest adversity. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/27 "2020-05-02T01:24:52Z")
look almost 900 million worth of LP ![Captura de Tela 2020-05-01 às 22.18.12](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/8/a8754ac638d9e2c13ea842bcf4faffdc1391e43b.jpeg) in a t1 frig that cost 10 million fited but… but… you must do high end stuff in any way accessible without tons of SKILLLLLLSSSS ![Captura de Tela 2020-05-01 às 22.17.15](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/6/f620fc795a18da3faff744b7cca930cf7a5ec43a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/28 "2020-05-02T02:09:30Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > previous account was stuck in nullsec within a war etc. You didn’t have a jump clone in Hisec or even Lowsec at all? Wardecs don’t scare me, only Code scares me. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/29 "2020-05-02T02:11:52Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > only Code scares me. lol why code scares you? edit: i mean they are well-intentioned boys trying to spread some kind of word that would make high sec better like the mormons or something ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/30 "2020-05-02T02:15:55Z")
Oh No… no… we can’t say anything bad about them, they lurking./ / Okay so I do feel that they do make some sort of impression on new pilots and within their first 10 days of game play to a certain extent. Would you agree? / > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > lol why code scares you? I own two active permits on this character alone and even still I will dock up and hide when one is seen in local. I mean I am less scared to autopilot through nul. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/31 "2020-05-02T02:21:15Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Oh No… no… we can’t say anything bad about them, they lurking. i live in low so i don’t know much about them but for what i heard this guy ![james-d-rolfe_a280151](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/c/5c3fcad79f770d760c1ab2670b87c4f9b082d820.jpeg) wrote some kind of Himalayan code to make high sec safer and free of bots and some guys work as volunteer spreading the word for the sake of improving the game ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/32 "2020-05-02T02:54:22Z")
is OP gone yet? not everyone is cut out for EVE, better to figure it out sooner than later so you can go do something you enjoy with your life instead of salting over a video game ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/33 "2020-05-02T02:59:24Z")
Hello, I am Elder Xeux and I would like to talk to you about the good news . . . ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/34 "2020-05-02T05:21:27Z")
James saves, with the Gallente Investment Bank. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/35 "2020-05-02T07:00:25Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > > > previous account was stuck in nullsec within a war etc. > > You didn’t have a jump clone in Hisec or even Lowsec at all? Never tried this myself, but would it work ? 1. Put all your null-sec stuff into Asset Safety, or sell it. 2. Resign from your null-sec corporation, joining an NPC one by default instead. 3. Use your once-a-year ‘Remote Home Selection’ to set your home to a hi-sec NPC station. 4. Use a clone-bay to self-destruct, or just fly out and self-destruct in space. 5. Sit back and enjoy the (entirely illusory) feeling of safety you get from being in hi-sec. … and/or … Use skill-extractors on your old character, then inject those skill-points into the new one for the training you’re missing. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/36 "2020-05-02T07:42:57Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > When this game was running as a monthly sub game It still is. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/37 "2020-05-02T08:17:42Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > Hop into the venture, go into a regular belt, start mining. I’m not even afk, and whoops, trigarian whatevers warp in, i immediatly select a station, and just as i click to warp, the ventures already gone. You come from Nul Sec to mine in a Venture? Yes I know mining is life in New Eden, don’t trust me trust your past, trust what you already knew about the game. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > that’s kinda what i like about eve when i’m not frustrated. Yes, you extracted skills from your main that you had left inside a Corp/Alliance to restart. How many were you able to extract? If I were you I would try to pull that Character out of the situation it was left in over all that time you had been away. If you still have access to that account etc? You don’t need a billion plex to start a trade monopoly. Some advice. write down your plan what you wish to do within your given play time and set out options that _ **you** _ are able to do that would make your game time worth your effort in login in. Sorry for the pain you are going through. Fly safe and make sure to save 10million isk for a mining permit asap or you will have more than NPC trigs ganking you, ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/38 "2020-05-02T08:19:42Z")
> [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > Second problem is, low sec is worthless, Low sec relic and data exploration should yield about 50m/hr for a decent explorer, 100-150m/hr for a good combat explorer. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > null is being scoured by corp members constantly bumping to each other Null sec exploration makes more isk, so naturally you’ll encounter more explorers. Either choose low sec with less competition, or null sec. Can’t have the best of both worlds. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > on top of gate camps Use filaments, wormholes, or an explo-interceptor to bypass gate camps. > [@Ben\_Denson](#): > > and in wormholes, i could come across asteros and stratios guys at the same damn system. Wormhole relic and data sites are just as valuable as null sec. More isk = more competition. I was prepared to address the other points, but I can only digest so much salt. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/39 "2020-05-02T08:22:16Z")
> [@Kaivarian\_Coste](#): > > Use filaments, wormholes, or an explo-interceptor to bypass gate camps. The only downside of using filaments I find is getting your loot out. ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982/40 "2020-05-02T08:29:32Z")
As a new player you don’t NEED much isk, you lack the knowledge and experience to make use of it. Even if I had a bunch of money when I started I wouldn’t have known what to buy with it. So what you’re doing is applying non-newbie knowledge and understanding and THEN start a new character going “well this sucks, I can’t Plex on the third day”. That’s unfair to the game, unrealistic and actually disengenuous. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-expect-any-new-or-returning-players-to-stay-for-more-than-10-days/236982.md?page=3)