# Don't use freighters - use Orcas **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882 "2025-12-12T14:31:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/21 "2025-12-13T08:32:08Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > Though I do think one mechanic needs a big change: gankers ejecting from their ships and boarding a corvette to avoid CONCORD. They should just be locked in the ship, unable to eject, unable to dock, unable to take a gate. These restrictions would only be lifted once they have been concorded. I have news for you. With heralding regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Nyel\_Blazon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyel_blazon/32/457597_2.png) [@Nyel\_Blazon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyel_Blazon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/22 "2025-12-13T10:59:37Z")
Where are the redeeming regards, James? WHERE? YOU GAVE ME REDEEMING REGARDS LAST TIME! With passive-aggressive regards -Nyel Blazon ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/23 "2025-12-13T11:13:06Z")
**DO NOT REDEEM THE REGARDS!** With active-aggressive regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/24 "2025-12-13T12:19:14Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > aggressive > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > aggressive Speaking of “aggression”: will you two fight at the sun? 🤔 With traditional / customary EVE-O forums PvP regards – `Veteran` Uriel 😉 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Nyel\_Blazon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyel_blazon/32/457597_2.png) [@Nyel\_Blazon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyel_Blazon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/25 "2025-12-13T12:52:49Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > **DO NOT REDEEM THE REGARDS!** > > With active-aggressive regards > -James Fuchs > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Speaking of “aggression”: will you two fight at the sun? 🤔 > > With traditional / customary EVE-O forums PvP regards > – `Veteran` Uriel 😉 > > 😊 Too many regards. Brain overheated. Confused now. Gonna eject. Have my ship. With confused and somewhat aggressive regards, -Nyel Blazon ---
**Author:** ![Misty\_Dreamscape](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/misty_dreamscape/32/483092_2.png) [@Misty\_Dreamscape](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Misty_Dreamscape)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/26 "2025-12-13T13:13:47Z")
I think that’s a fair personal experience, but it reads a bit like survivorship bias dressed up as universal advice: the fact that an Orca with a specific fit hasn’t been ganked on a predictable route doesn’t mean it’s inherently safer for everyone, in every situation, or that freighters being ganked are simply “doing it wrong.” Orcas have different profiles, costs, cargo limitations, and risk trade-offs, and not everyone hauling needs or wants to replace a freighter with an industrial command ship, especially at scale. Sharing what’s worked for you is useful, but presenting it as a one-size-fits-all solution glosses over the broader balance issues and why freighters remain attractive—and vulnerable—in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/27 "2025-12-13T13:46:25Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > Though I do think one mechanic needs a big change: gankers ejecting from their ships and boarding a corvette to avoid CONCORD. They should just be locked in the ship, unable to eject, unable to dock, unable to take a gate. These restrictions would only be lifted once they have been concorded. That was nerfed/prevented looong time ago. Did you just came back from a 20 year break or something? In fact it never worked the way you describe. Without taking exploit into consideration, there was never a way to prevent destruction of the ship used for gank. What was possible to achieve with ejecting/boarding was to gank high EHP target with single ganker who would keep boarding new ships to shoot at the target. Since that strategy allowed to bypass the multibox/paywáll restriction CCP nerfed it immediatelly. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/28 "2025-12-13T13:57:59Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > People are dumb ![pot and kettle](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/3/5532a177379e016e7ee1b00642956a77e37521e5.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/29 "2025-12-13T14:18:25Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > Though I do think one mechanic needs a big change: gankers ejecting from their ships and boarding a corvette to avoid CONCORD. They should just be locked in the ship, unable to eject, unable to dock, unable to take a gate. These restrictions would only be lifted once they have been concorde It’s obvious that you have no idea on what you are talking about. > [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > People are dumb You’re one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Wakidjashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wakidjashi/32/483132_2.png) [@Wakidjashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wakidjashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/30 "2025-12-13T19:47:43Z")
Do they really need to add a fitting slots? I think for the first time would be enough to add PG/CPU stats. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/31 "2025-12-13T20:04:51Z")
Imho they should. And why not? Subcap haulers also can be fitted properly and other transport ships of comparable size and value also can. And all rumors of such a concept would be “game breaking” have disappeared like thin air. We have Orcas, Bowheads and Avalanches in the game that work absolutely well in the environment. There is no single reason to believe Freighters/JFs built around those values (with slight racial focus on traits) would be bad for the game in any way. Quite the opposite, it would remove another arbitrary and unnessessary “exception” from the general design of ship fitting. ---
**Author:** ![Nyel\_Blazon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyel_blazon/32/457597_2.png) [@Nyel\_Blazon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyel_Blazon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/32 "2025-12-15T08:00:48Z")
You being uneducated isn’t my problem. ---
**Author:** ![Nyel\_Blazon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyel_blazon/32/457597_2.png) [@Nyel\_Blazon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyel_Blazon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/33 "2025-12-15T08:02:08Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Without taking exploit into consideration Exactly. But I’m not going to talk about it more, because CCP refuses to admit there are tools being used to commit these and various other exploits. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/34 "2025-12-15T10:41:58Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > But I’m not going to talk about it more, because CCP refuses to admit there are tools being used to commit these and various other exploits. What? You are out of your mind. The exploit, if it still even works and I never seen anyone to do it, is written on this page: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits) And anyone using it will be likely punished immediately as they likely have some logging mechanism to spot it being used. But then again, nobody is doing that. **Nobody**. I think I once managed to warp away after a gank _(it just happened, was not trying to exploit anything)_, but after I landed I couldn’t jump anyway, I couldn’t warp again and CONCORD showed on the new location and killed me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/35 "2025-12-15T10:52:40Z")
CONCORD are such cheaters - ban CONCORD. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/36 "2025-12-15T11:13:25Z")
You being that way is. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/37 "2025-12-15T17:00:16Z")
> [@Nyel\_Blazon](#): > > I do think one mechanic needs a big change: gankers ejecting from their ships and boarding a corvette to avoid CONCORD. This happens all the time! ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/38 "2025-12-15T20:04:50Z")
Nice way to bait the gankers. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dont-use-freighters-use-orcas/502882/39 "2026-03-15T20:05:07Z")
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