# Drake fitting is impossible! level 4 mission running **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [November 16, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090 "2023-11-16T15:26:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/63 "2023-11-22T19:17:02Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > dunno whether i shall bother replying then. Then don’t. That’d be better than making an argument that’s patently false to anyone that’s used the ships you’re talking about. > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > It has, with precision script loaded, which is how it gets 145m/s explosion velocity and **148m explotion radius** , No. Precision _ **missiles** _. You know those are a thing, right? Edit: Also, sorry Stefnia, clicked reply to you by accident. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/64 "2023-11-22T19:17:49Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > The numbers and the formula, too 😉 > The falloff of a target painter, with frequency modulation maxed out, is 135km, not 90km. Further, the term containing it needs to be squared. No, the formula is good. The effect is multiplied by 0.5^((distance-optimal )/falloff ) edit : checked it and I’m wrong. See below. > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > The falloff of a target painter, with frequency modulation maxed out, is 135km Indeed, I fixed it in the next post > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > TP T2 is 50.4+135km for 37.5 increase so at range 110 the damage increase is 37.5×0.5^( (110-50.4)/135 ) = +27.6% DPS > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > Further, the term containing it needs to be squared. I just checked and … you’re right 🙂 . So at 108 km you are actually increasing your damage vs small target by 37.5×0.5^( [(108-50.4)/135]² ) = 33,06 % ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/65 "2023-11-22T19:28:10Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > No. Precision _ **missiles** _. You know those are a thing, right? I don’t, presumably. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/9/d/49d647118b24189a78d0d8a507c9f779594fde51.png) Unload precision script from the computer and application will be inferior then you claimed in terms of both the explotion velocity and the explotion size. So you either have implants, drugs, a second computer or an enhancer providing that effect, which you are not mentioning. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/66 "2023-11-22T19:36:23Z")
Raven precision missiles (Red) vs Arty Drake Caldari Scourge (Blue) vs Arty Drake Scourge Furies (Green) against a Raven, Drake, Caracal, Cormorant, and a Kestrel. At no point does the Raven do less damage than the Drake, except at very extreme ranges which are approaching or outside the Raven’s targeting range. And that is with an almost naked Raven that literally just as the items I described to you, and not switching up to a range script. ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 133430](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/7/6/7769f6b078d588dbe8ea991175e6d9dd8f257cd1.png) ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 133401](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/2/8/c28ff08b8b060d11f78e5a0aab38815ff42964a3.png) ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 132915](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/e/f/6efc3c31164c3ff1f2fbc02368cf9ae82b00ff5e.png) ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 133014](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/8/0/680c4271ef1caf9137c89bf67ce9010d407907cb.png) ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 133040](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/c/02ce45aaec1e41d4d5fff05dadd68620a34c4686.png) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/67 "2023-11-22T19:47:40Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > At no point does the Raven do less damage than the Drake, except at very extreme ranges which are approaching or outside the Raven’s targeting range. So it DOES use a precision script for the computer, because w/o script the Precision Cruises from the Raven outrange the Faction Heavies from the Drake, yet you begin insulting me when I write that you have a precision script loaded. Also, w/o the precision scipt, i.e. literally as you posted it, the Raven will outrange the Drake but the Drake will outdamage the Raven on cruiser and smaller targets. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/68 "2023-11-22T19:49:32Z")
use rapid heavies FFS edit : yes, on the drake. Who needs 8 launchers anyhow ? ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/69 "2023-11-22T19:49:34Z")
No, it uses a Precision script and precision missiles. You were comparing furies with a precision script. They aren’t going to hit small targets well. Which is the point I was making and why I was getting annoyed that you kept talking about the script. ![Screenshot 2023-11-22 134905](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/d/b/8db0f018cb5bbace8ffca4e04547833ae69bd277.png) ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/70 "2023-11-22T20:26:16Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > No, it uses a Precision script and precision missiles. Let me quote you again: > [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > A Raven with 2 rigors, 1 guidance computer and 3 balistic controls will do 567 dps with a volley damage of 3910 with _ **precision** _ missiles. With an explosion radius of 133m and 145m/s velocity. That also leaves the Raven with 6 mids, 2 lows and a rig spot left. you explicitly wrote missile after the precision, without mentioning the script for the computer. And my comparization was precision cruises on the raven as provided by you against faction heavies with the drake I had posted. The Raven I used when I wrote > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > On any Cruiser and smaller target, 370dps from caldari faction missiles heavies is more dps then 440dps from furies, which btw is the same to 580dps from a twin BC single-tp caldari cruise raven, and the 370dps of the faction heavies is more then twice the dps on cruisers than the 710dps from a fury cruise raven 😉 was ``` [Raven, Cruises Caldari] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II [Empty Low slot] [Empty Low slot] [Empty Low slot] Target Painter II Empty Med slot] Empty Med slot] Empty Med slot] Empty Med slot] Empty Med slot] Empty Med slot] Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile [Empty High slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] ``` which is the straightforward transition from the faction heavy drake. No other Raven had been provided in this thread at that point so I made one up. > [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > You were comparing furies with a precision script. No. I never mentioned furies in combination with precision scripts. The old Raven fit I was using before you posted one didn’t have a computer and the one you posted didn’t use furies. I omitted the precision Raven in the graphs for the original raven because with precisions it would have been outperformed by the Drake through the whole range of targets, as it lacked the computer and the third BC, and because Reloading the Launcher with Precisions to wreck a few frigs and then reloading to factions or furies again might be slower then to shoot factions or furies at frigs they apply poorly on but can save 20 secs of reload time. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > use rapid heavies FFS That’s actually a viable option. Though the reload time is […] ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/71 "2023-11-22T21:47:22Z")
Guys I thought we figured out how to do lv 4 missions after 20 years of EVE. No need to reinvent the wheel lads. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/72 "2023-11-22T22:09:02Z")
There have been plenty rebalances in the last 20 years though, making tons of fits no longer usable over fitting capacity changes, others that once were viable no longer are. Scarcity Patch for example left security deadspaces as the only source of some ores in highsec, resulting in some players running security missions with procurers which would have been silly to do pre-scarcity. But as variegated ore mining provides more isk/minute then marauder crabbing, and variegated can no longer be mined in high… with the exception of deadspace “decoration” ore, procuring the security deadspaces now is viable. An eagle on the other side is not viable these days, and it used to be before the HAC-nerfing patches came in. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/73 "2023-11-22T22:18:28Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > It has, with precision script loaded, which is how it gets 145m/s explosion velocity and **148m explotion radius** , This is what I assumed you were talking about, and I assumed it was on some Raven you were using for comparison because I can’t replicate those numbers with precision missiles. Either way, you were still trying to compare apples to oranges. Fury cruise missiles are not designed for taking out vastly smaller targets, which is why precision missiles are a thing. But I’m not going to sit here trying to get you to understand that point ad infinitum, you either accept it or you don’t at this point. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/74 "2023-11-22T22:47:03Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > That’s actually a viable option. Though the reload time is […] I can only fit 2 with 2 ancil T2 rig and 1 reactor T2. They eat PG 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/75 "2023-11-22T23:29:59Z")
I am quite confident that battleships, advanced cruisers, and marauders have been the meta in lv 4s for at least 5 years. I am 100% it was not the drake being used by everyone in lv 4s 🤭 I am just that confident lol and I have been here since 2016 ish on my old main. You just can’t spin it… The drake is inferior to a battleship, t2/t3 (some faction cruisers also) and the marauder. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/76 "2023-11-23T01:13:03Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > can be used as collateral. Also, CCP could freeze your account if you fail to pay. Banks are literally part of EVERY society. Even pawn shops or check cashing services. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/77 "2023-11-23T01:18:49Z")
> [@Prometheus\_XRay](#): > > Also, CCP could freeze your account if you fail to pay There you go. Simple easy solution to players not repaying their loan. > [@Prometheus\_XRay](#): > > Banks are literally part of EVERY society. Even pawn shops or check cashing services New Eden isn’t a society or even a world. It’s a server that belongs to a company that needs to make money to stay afloat. It looks like EvE doesn’t need anything like that, as long as ships go boom and players pay their subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/78 "2023-11-23T01:33:25Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > EvE doesn’t need anything like that And what about the “realism” factor? Do you think loans will go away in the future? ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/79 "2023-11-23T01:59:33Z")
Try being better at fitting. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/80 "2023-11-23T02:35:20Z")
> [@Nabi\_Kim](#): > > Try being better That’s just $hitty advice. Why not, “be taller” or something else nonsensical? Or…how about actually **adding to the conversation?** ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/81 "2023-11-23T02:40:25Z")
If he was better at fitting, he wouldn’t have this problem. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090/82 "2023-11-23T02:48:36Z")
> [@Nabi\_Kim](#): > > If Interesting choice. I mean, don’t take ownership of your part here. Just sit back and cast aspersions…By all means. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drake-fitting-is-impossible-level-4-mission-running/428090.md?page=5)